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Forums - Politics Discussion - Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016

crissindahouse on 27 February 2017
etking said:

German women fear to leave the house at night and criminal rates, especially sexual assaults and theft / robbery exploded since 2015. But leftists talk about crimes against illegals only whereas many, many more crimes are committed by illegals.

According to recent estimates within the next years the German people will have to pay almost 1 Trillion euro for illegals, many of them using 20 different identities to claim more than 8000€ per month.

90% of illegals will never find a job and the German people have to pay endlessly. Many elderly or homeless Germans would dream of the support illegal migrants receive, they have to live under much worse conditions and with less support. Illegals get everything for free but German rents doubled, prices are rising and taxes and healthcare will need to go up in order to finance the cost caused by illegals.

The worst is the fact that illegals will almost never get deported and have the right to endlessly live on money from the government, while Germans can loose healthcare, their homes and all the money they possess quickly.

Also no-go areas, vigilantism, radical Islamic terrorism and a secondary shariah law are on the rise. Germany will not exist much longer because in today's schools, migrants are already in the majority. In less than 50 years political Islam will take over the country and the Germans, including the leftists will become a hunted minority in their own country.

I do not blame the illegals, they are just acting rationally, follow their religious beliefs and try to make the best out of their lives but I blame our politicians for letting it happen.

Please stop talking crap about the country I live in because I can absolutely say that pretty much everything you say about the situation and rules here is total nonsense.

Accoring to the BKA, 6 Germans were killed by migrants (most of them are young, murder rate of young people is even higher as of the average person) in the first nine months of 2016. if that is so unbelievable dangerous, people in USA and most other countries on this planet wouldn't be able to live anymore.  



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mausy on 27 February 2017
WolfpackN64 said:
mausy said:

I'm not gonna discuss this refugees issues. I just want refer to 1st point. Actually it's exactly opposite. Fascism it's 100% left ideology. This common misunderstanding it's often repeated  mainly because people associate nationalism with both fascism and right. But this is very narrow interpretation. Fascism it's not about nationalism (at least not only/mainly), it's about state control of individuals, which is exactly opposite of what right wing is for.

No, fascism started out of far-right wing movements and has started even under Mussolini as an anti-communist and anti-left movement. If you think the right is all for personal freedom, I'm afraid you believe in a farçe and to claim fascism is left is simply preposterous.

This "far-right wing movements" is commonly used false simplification. it's not a farce, it's simple most basic and historic distinguish between left and right. I know this concepts are now devalued, because people call everything what is politically incorrect as right, but it's not my problem. Mussolini described fascism by the simple sentence: everything in state, nothing outside the state. I have also one more interesting quote in this topic made by Churchill this time. He Said after the WWII, that there will come time when anti-fascists will be called fascists by true fascists. What a prophetic...

Regards



WolfpackN64 on 27 February 2017
mausy said:
WolfpackN64 said:

No, fascism started out of far-right wing movements and has started even under Mussolini as an anti-communist and anti-left movement. If you think the right is all for personal freedom, I'm afraid you believe in a farçe and to claim fascism is left is simply preposterous.

This "far-right wing movements" is commonly used false simplification. it's not a farce, it's simple most basic and historic distinguish between left and right. I know this concepts are now devalued, because people call everything what is politically incorrect as right, but it's not my problem. Mussolini described fascism by the simple sentence: everything in state, nothing outside the state. I have also one more interesting quote in this topic made by Churchill this time. He Said after the WWII, that there will come time when anti-fascists will be called fascists by true fascists. What a prophetic...

It's not a "false simplification", it's an academically accepted fact. You can twist things in your head as much as you want, that doesn't make it right.



mausy on 27 February 2017
WolfpackN64 said:
mausy said:

This "far-right wing movements" is commonly used false simplification. it's not a farce, it's simple most basic and historic distinguish between left and right. I know this concepts are now devalued, because people call everything what is politically incorrect as right, but it's not my problem. Mussolini described fascism by the simple sentence: everything in state, nothing outside the state. I have also one more interesting quote in this topic made by Churchill this time. He Said after the WWII, that there will come time when anti-fascists will be called fascists by true fascists. What a prophetic...

It's not a "false simplification", it's an academically accepted fact. You can twist things in your head as much as you want, that doesn't make it right.

I'm not twist things in my head, I just use simple logic. We live in semantic chaos and I know that, but I don't see any characteristics of fascism  which will correspond with right wing characteristics. (You do?) On the other hand I see many which correspond with left (e.g. on the field of the subjectivity of the individual, relation state-individual, economy etc.) I also love this "academically accepted fact" argument. You don't have to think by yourself because is "academically accepted" (btw it's "accepted" more in image created by mainstream media than by actual historians and politologist). The same i see in e.g. global warming issue. Did you read Cialdini's book Influence: Science and Practice? This phenomenon has been well described there.

Regards one more time ;)

Regards one more time.



WolfpackN64 on 27 February 2017
mausy said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It's not a "false simplification", it's an academically accepted fact. You can twist things in your head as much as you want, that doesn't make it right.

I'm not twist things in my head, I just use simple logic. We live in semantic chaos and I know that, but I don't see any characteristics of fascism  which will correspond with right wing characteristics. (You do?) On the other hand I see many which correspond with left (e.g. on the field of the subjectivity of the individual, relation state-individual, economy etc.) I also love this "academically accepted fact" argument. You don't have to think by yourself because is "academically accepted" (btw it's "accepted" more in image created by mainstream media than by actual historians and politologist). The same i see in e.g. global warming issue. Did you read Cialdini's book Influence: Science and Practice? This phenomenon has been well described there. 

But your common sense makes really no sense. The vieuw of the individual in society in fascism corresponds with a conservative view (the individual bound to it's community, in this case, ethnicity), the diversion of economical debate to a racial debate flies completely in the face of any socialist theory while the individual is supposed to be all-supporting to the state, which embodies the nation, which is also clearly not a socialist concept. Marxism-Leninism advocates a state, where the people are supposed to be directly part of and controlling the state, partially through direct democracy (the early SU), but in practice this could turn out into quasi-dictatorial ways (later SU). Most liberal-socialist theories seek to reduce the state in favor of direct democracy and Guild Socialism (which I'm next to ML a proponent of) advocates a new social contract where the people and the state are bound together in guilds where they, through common means of production interact with the state (which is still elected), this gives the people more direct control of the economyn which is the cornerstone of society.

Fascism merely accelerates capitalims to a point which suits them best, namely monopoly capitalism in which they together with the economic hegemons rule through personal relations.

So as you can see, fascism is right wing, this is a commonly and scientifically accepted fact and you don't need to try to throw theory's at my head, I'm an academic myself.



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mausy on 27 February 2017

As i said before, we live in schematic chaos. You made interesting post but it has nothing to do with left-right distinguish. Your main argument here is fact that fascist it's a not a socialist concept. OK but it doesn't make it "right". For instance: conservative view on the society correspond with right wing (that's right), but no in the case when is enforced by state. It's exactly opposite. I'm also strongly disagree whit sentence "Fascism merely accelerates capitalims..." How can you say something like that about system where practically (not in declarative means) all economic measures belongs to the "nation" (which in fact means state)?

It's sad that today's people completly don't understand what is right about.

Socialism (which I'm next to ML a proponent of) advocates a new social contract where the people and the state are bound together in guilds where they, through common means of production interact with the state (which is still elected), this gives the people more direct control of the economyn which is the cornerstone of society.

Yes yes I already know how this "new social contract" and "interaction with the state" ends, and how will end ;) Its utopian vision, but nevermind...

Good luck




C64 on 27 February 2017

Sadly many of these hate crimes are commited by refugees against other refugees so these statistics don't really mean a lot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/11/frustrated-refugee-in-germany-set-fire-to-his-new-home-police-say/?utm_term=.68c2c641697f

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960366/Migrants-burned-refugee-centre-causing-10-million-damage-wasn-t-Nutella-Gummibears-chocolate-German-Red-Cross-worker-reveals.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/syrian-refugee-germany-accused-arson-trying-frame-neo-nazis-n553976



monocle_layton on 27 February 2017
Aura7541 said:
monocle_layton said:
Yeah I'm not even gonna bother with this thread. It's gonna go downhill quick with anti-migrant vs pro-migrant arguments that will turn into insults and anecdote-driven statements.

I would however like to see statistics for migrants, natives, races, gender, age, etc. I think the information is too broad to draw a valid conclusion

This is the best I can come up with. This image is from a BKA 2014 study that shows how much each ethnicity commits a particular crime per capita. You can see that those of Tunisian, Algerian, or Pakistani nationality, for example, are at the top for most crimes such as child abuse, sexual assault, and theft. In comparison, Germans are at the bottom along with people of European and East Asian nationalities. Unfortunately, the original link leads to a '404 Not Found', so the image is all I have.

There was also a Switz study (Switzerland is one of Germany's neighbors, so I think it's a valid study to cite) that shows that a higher percentage of people from north Africa and west Africa, for example, broke the Criminal Code in comparison to those of other origins. However, the article says that there is likely not a causal relationship between ethnicity and crime, but rather gender/age and crime. The article says that young men (18-29) are far more likely to commit crime than men of other age groups and women. The previous sentence is very important because according to a German study from BAMF, the migrants are overwhelmingly male (bottom of Page 2) and young (Page 3).

Thank you. Having this information definitely makes it easier to avoid bias conclusions.



Aura7541 on 27 February 2017
monocle_layton said:
Aura7541 said:

This is the best I can come up with. This image is from a BKA 2014 study that shows how much each ethnicity commits a particular crime per capita. You can see that those of Tunisian, Algerian, or Pakistani nationality, for example, are at the top for most crimes such as child abuse, sexual assault, and theft. In comparison, Germans are at the bottom along with people of European and East Asian nationalities. Unfortunately, the original link leads to a '404 Not Found', so the image is all I have.

There was also a Switz study (Switzerland is one of Germany's neighbors, so I think it's a valid study to cite) that shows that a higher percentage of people from north Africa and west Africa, for example, broke the Criminal Code in comparison to those of other origins. However, the article says that there is likely not a causal relationship between ethnicity and crime, but rather gender/age and crime. The article says that young men (18-29) are far more likely to commit crime than men of other age groups and women. The previous sentence is very important because according to a German study from BAMF, the migrants are overwhelmingly male (bottom of Page 2) and young (Page 3).

Thank you. Having this information definitely makes it easier to avoid bias conclusions.

I need to disclose that the image is not from BKA. That was an error on my part. It's a third party source that utilizes raw data from BKA. An English version of the BKA 2015 report can be found here.



etking on 27 February 2017

If a mob of illegals attacks or robs people in the streets, which happens countless times every single day, and the Germans fight back, the press reads something like 'Aggressive German mob attack poor migrants' and it is counted in the statistics as violence against migrants. You cannot trust the media at all and the statistics are heavily manipulated, especially in leftist governed areas.