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Zekkyou on 09 February 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
Zekkyou said:

They aren't what drive the overall success of the IP. Zelda has more breathing room on this front than Final Fantasy (its core fanbase existing on the same general brand as the DS/3DS helps considerably), but even Zelda's handheld success is fuelled in large part by the reputation the core home console entries have given the series.

I do agree SE should be more proactive with the Final Fantasy IP on handhelds (though we no doubt disagree in what capacity), but that wasn't my point of dispute. It was using something like Pokemon to dismiss the viability of the development style of Final Fantasy (and by logical extension the core entries of Zelda, GTA, etc) that i take issue with.

To end off, it's worth noting that while SE could handle the Final Fantasy IP much better (and as far as I've seen they have improved considerably since the early 7th gen), it's not like they've been doing nothing but throwing money at FF15 for a decade. Whether ignoring the 3DS has been a mistake or not, the IP still has a strong WW presence. Especially in the last few years, it's been a debate more of success versus hypothetical extra success than sfailure versus success. There are worse places to be :p 

But the handheld Zelda games are made by the same Zelda team that makes the home console games (with the exception of the remakes and the spin-off Triforce Heroes). They also made Wind Waker HD. 

So since 2011 the Zelda team made Wind Waker HD, A Link Between Worlds and now Breath of the Wild. Not nearly as bad as you made it sound. 

As for GTA, that franchise keeps selling, even years after the release of a mainline title, so long development cycles are justified. 

I focused on home consoles because they traditionally take much more time and money, and fuel the overall success of the IP. I ignored the Final Fantasy sequels and spin-offs for the same reason; they're much less costly and aren't the IPs fuel. If you don't consider the differentiation worthwhile, then surly you consider Breath of the Wild a waste of time too?

Again though, my primary point of disagreement was you using Pokemon to dismiss FF's development process (an argument that's extended effects you've still not addressed). When you consider just how large a portion of industry follow the same model, and how much less most of those series sell than Final Fantasy, it should be clear why such a comparison is silly.

To use another example from Nintendo; Xenoblade Chronicles. Both it and its successor X are huge games, with a 5 year gap between them, and yet combined they've sold less that 1 Pokemon game in 1 week in 1 country. Should we point and laugh at XC? Mock Nintendo for making such a 'flop' twice? Personally, i don't think we should. Both are quality games that did well enough to justify their development, which is why we are getting another. Just like why FF continues, and Halo continues, and Zelda continues, and so on. They all do well enough relative to their development to justify further releases.



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invetedlotus123 on 09 February 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
invetedlotus123 said:

FF is a franchise just like any other AAA game, it just doesn`t belong there becasue the series craved a reputation of technological and graphical vanguardism, and this is one of the main selling points of it. Questioning why there`s no main FF on handelheld is the same thing as questioning why  there`s no Call Of Duty, Gears Of War, Assassin`s Creed or pretty much any modern AAA game on handelheld. And understand one thing, FF is a series that sells the most at West, even being a Japanese game, releasing on 3DS or Switch could work maybe for Japan, but would alienate a graphical hungry demographic in western countries. And this is not new, FF has been on this side of the fence since SNES, and it was what made the series great. Imagine if they didn`t pursue that with FF VII, pursuing techonological advancements at the time is what propelled the franchise to status it has now.

You keep saying FF is too good for handhelds, but all I'm seeing is declining critical reception, declining sales, declining relevance in the gaming industry, etc. 

FF's status is kind of a joke nowadays. The best selling game with FF characters is Super Smash Bros 4 lol. 

Metroid Prime 1 & 2 blow any FF game on the PS2 out of the water when it comes to graphics. And yet they still had handheld games that released around the same time that were very well received (Fusion and Zero Mission). You can have both you know. 

I never said FF is too good for handelhelds. But FF place in handelhelds is not within a main game. FF always used handelhelds very well to bring spin-offs, remakes and ports, some great examples are Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII and the FF IV remake. But, a full fledged new FF on a handelheld doesn`t make sense at all. FF is very vanguardist in every aspect, both in game mechanics and visuals.



etking on 09 February 2017

I always said that Switch will only get ports of Android games instead of real 3rd party console games. If you look at the Switch hardware, this was the only possibility from the very beginning and the reason why Switch will fail. The only way to save it is a 100% Switch compatible 3DS sucessor that shares exactly the same cardridges and games.



S.Peelman on 09 February 2017
invetedlotus123 said:
S.Peelman said:

Thank you.

I was just about to say that. It's getting pretty annoying, not necessarily from invetedlotus123 but in general, seeing these sweeping generalizations while there's actually plenty of "Nintendo fans" (if you really want to categorize people) here being pretty critical. Myself among them.

The problem is that everytime a developer says they are not bringing they`re game to the platform the threads are filled with this kind of comment. Or even when someone says something like, Switch is underpowered, there are an outrage of people saying that graphics doesn`t matter and we should focus on gameplay and that this will for better graphics is destroying the industry and then it goes downhill from there. 

Did I say any of that?



invetedlotus123 on 09 February 2017
S.Peelman said:
invetedlotus123 said:

The problem is that everytime a developer says they are not bringing they`re game to the platform the threads are filled with this kind of comment. Or even when someone says something like, Switch is underpowered, there are an outrage of people saying that graphics doesn`t matter and we should focus on gameplay and that this will for better graphics is destroying the industry and then it goes downhill from there. 

Did I say any of that?

No you didn`t. But i`m talk what happens many times. 



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genius16 on 09 February 2017

Just started to play Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE... and it makes more fun then FfXV. So i hope there will be more RPGs like bravely, tms#fe, project octopath traveler coming to switch... dont need ports half a year or more later...



estebxx on 09 February 2017
Fuchigole said:
How good is FFXV?? I really wanted to try this game, but I haven't checked the reviews. I hope that one day could be on the switch.

In many ways ts a very flawed game but despite that it was very fun to play.



S.Peelman on 09 February 2017
invetedlotus123 said:
S.Peelman said:

Did I say any of that?

No you didn`t. But i`m talk what happens many times. 

Indeed I didn't.

Yet you generalized, with a bit of an insulting tone, even if you're trying to minimize it now. You see;

invetedlotus123 said:

Nintendo fans are the little monster of videogame world, always bashing anyone that dare to say anything about Nintendo or their consoles and unable to see any failure in anything Nintendo does. 

Or in this case any game that doesn`t come to Switch " It was shit, Nintendo don`t need that, NINTENDO IP`S ARE THE ONLY THING THE MATTARRRR" kind of attitude.

If Wii U proved anything is that 3rd party does matter for a console. 

This whole thing, and in particular the words "Nintendo fans are (..), always" is not the same as "I'm talk what happens many times" and is false.

I think we're due for an apology.



Azhraell on 09 February 2017

They should ask Square about KHIII instead, that game was always more likely than FF on Switch



GOWTLOZ on 09 February 2017
Ljink96 said:
m_csquare said:

I'm waiting for that obligatory "this game sucks anyway. Nobody would buy this game on nintendo console" response

 

"Incidentally, I think that Switch would be really cool if it could run Android apps on its portable screen…" I agree with you on this matter, mr tabata

Nintendo fans would buy this though... FF started on Nintendo after all. They'd buy it over CoD and Mass Effect, I'm sure. It just fits Nintendo's demographic more.

It wouldn't run on Switch according to him. So even if Nintendo fans want it and he wants to port it to Switch he can't do that. Power matters and all Nintendo fans saying power doesn't matter, here we see that it does. That was also the reason why Scalebound got cancelled as it was not able to run on XB1.