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COKTOE on 07 September 2017

I know you all are busy, and as such, I'm hesitant to bother you with such a trivial question. I'm curious though. Why no more requested bans? It can't be something that's requested very often, can it?



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

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Kerotan on 07 September 2017

I've an issue with the progressive moderation system. This rule of 6 months until your moderations reset. I have 2 issues.

1. Someone who posts once a week can easily go 6 months without moderation. He could be 1 ban away from a permaban and he post say 100 times in the next 6 months, not break the rules and have his moderation reset.

Now somebody else might post 3,000 times in 6 months. He could be on say a 20 day ban next time he breaks the rules. So he makes 2,000 posts without any problem. Then he breaks the rules but because he is only 4 months since his last ban he's hit with 20 days.

Do you see the flaw? His ratio of good posts to bad posts might be far superior to someone who posts way less but he could end up getting punished more harshly.

2. My second issue is the enforcement of the 6 month rule. We had posters on the verge of a permaban or a very long ban like 20 days. They break the rules again but because their next ban was going to be so severe they were given multiple extra chances. However others like myself who are only on a weeks ban and I post far more frequently, don't get an exception after 5.5months of no ban.



COKTOE on 07 September 2017
Miguel_Zorro said:
COKTOE said:
I know you all are busy, and as such, I'm hesitant to bother you with such a trivial question. I'm curious though. Why no more requested bans? It can't be something that's requested very often, can it?

We discussed it as a team and decided to do away with them for these reasons:

- People should be able to keep themselves off of the site.  If somebody doesn't want to post on the site for a week, our guidance is to not sign in.

- It muddles up ban history

- People were requesting bans of a certain length and then writing to the team asking for the requested ban to be lifted, defeating the purpose. 

Thanks. :)



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Kerotan on 07 September 2017
Miguel_Zorro said:
Kerotan said:
I've an issue with the progressive moderation system. This rule of 6 months until your moderations reset. I have 2 issues.

1. Someone who posts once a week can easily go 6 months without moderation. He could be 1 ban away from a permaban and he post say 100 times in the next 6 months, not break the rules and have his moderation reset.

Now somebody else might post 3,000 times in 6 months. He could be on say a 20 day ban next time he breaks the rules. So he makes 2,000 posts without any problem. Then he breaks the rules but because he is only 4 months since his last ban he's hit with 20 days.

Do you see the flaw? His ratio of good posts to bad posts might be far superior to someone who posts way less but he could end up getting punished more harshly.

2. My second issue is the enforcement of the 6 month rule. We had posters on the verge of a permaban or a very long ban like 20 days. They break the rules again but because their next ban was going to be so severe they were given multiple extra chances. However others like myself who are only on a weeks ban and I post far more frequently, don't get an exception after 5.5months of no ban.

There actually isn't an automatic "moderations reset after 6 months rule".  After an extended period of good behaviour, the mod team may shorten bans.  This is discretionary and is based on several factors including the ones you've listed above. 

I find it unfair then that certain posters who post way less have had their bans reduced and the likes of me didn't despite thousands of posts without moderation. 



VGPolyglot on 07 September 2017
Kerotan said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

There actually isn't an automatic "moderations reset after 6 months rule".  After an extended period of good behaviour, the mod team may shorten bans.  This is discretionary and is based on several factors including the ones you've listed above. 

I find it unfair then that certain posters who post way less have had their bans reduced and the likes of me didn't despite thousands of posts without moderation. 

Just stay a good boy, and it will be reduced



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Aeolus451 on 07 September 2017

Honestly, if someone is near the 20 day ban or past it, they really need to take a break from the forum to learn how to remain somewhat detached over this stuff or rethink how they post.



Hynad on 07 September 2017
Kerotan said:

I find it unfair then that certain posters who post way less have had their bans reduced and the likes of me didn't despite thousands of posts without moderation. 

There's a really simple lesson you should take from these certain posters.


Post less.



Kerotan on 07 September 2017
Hynad said:
Kerotan said:

I find it unfair then that certain posters who post way less have had their bans reduced and the likes of me didn't despite thousands of posts without moderation. 

There's a really simple lesson you should take from these certain posters.


Post less.

That's why it's counter productive.  I could easily post once a week and not get anywhere near banned. 6 months go by and my moderation is reset.  

 

But it's better for the site if I post say 5,000 times over 6 months and break the rules let's say twice.  My posts and threads I'd create would in turn generate a shit load of discussion.  Which at the end of the day it's that activity that makes ioi money and keeps this site up.  

 

So this rule would make more sense if it was applied by number of posts instead of time. 



Kerotan on 08 September 2017
RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:

That's why it's counter productive.  I could easily post once a week and not get anywhere near banned. 6 months go by and my moderation is reset.  

But it's better for the site if I post say 5,000 times over 6 months and break the rules let's say twice.  My posts and threads I'd create would in turn generate a shit load of discussion.  Which at the end of the day it's that activity that makes ioi money and keeps this site up.  

So this rule would make more sense if it was applied by number of posts instead of time. 

Going by number of posts would first require the mod team to keep track of post counts at the time of bans. The second problem is that such a system would invite an avalanche of throwaway one-liner posts, like "This is interesting." because that could really go into any kind of thread.

Since you didn't listen to Miguel, I repeat that moderation length does not reset after six months. Six months is merely the rough timeframe after which the progressive system doesn't straight continue, meaning that the same or a shorter length is applied for the next ban instead of a higher length. If you are in the area of 5-7 day bans, you need at least a full year of good behavior for a reset to a warning.

What this means for your most recent ban is that the two weeks between 5.5 months and 6 months didn't make a difference between a 7-day-ban and no ban, but at best the difference between a 7-day-ban and a 5-day-ban. Even if you made it to 6 months instead of 5.5 months, it's still up to the mod team to decide if the ban length should be reduced. Lenience is less likely to apply when you've got close to moderations during your ban-free streak.

Why do you keep pushing this narrative?  I've had my ban lengths reduced after much less then 6 months and so have a ton of others.  

 

And many who were reset weren't exactly model posters in that time.  Is there a reason why you keep pushing this because I'm pretty sure you're aware of what I just said. 



Kerotan on 08 September 2017

@moderators
What exactly did Versus_Evil do wrong? I'm looking at the image he posted and don't see what's wrong with it. Is there a hidden meaning behind it?