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fatslob-:O on 06 December 2016
Safiir said:

Actually China is much more pissed about the president of US recognizing a nation they believe is part of China, than what he tweets about.

Anyway since he's pro-Putin it only makes sense he's anti-China.

This ... 

China is sensitive as shit about territorial issues since they haven't ever moved past imperialism going way back to the Qin Dynasty ... 

China is still pissed about Dalai Lama establishing a government in exhile with India (the same guys that cause China to withdraw from South Tibet) providing them asylum ...



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Egelo on 06 December 2016
Soundwave said:

  

Keeping in mind, the US still hasn't defeated cave dwelling Taliban after 15 years and had everything they could handle and then some with jungle faring Vietnemese. 

Russia wouldn't openly ally with China, but I think behind the scenes they probably would. US being bogged down in war with China would be great for Russia, they could "quietly" move in Eastern Europe and no one would be able to raise much of a stink, sit back and wait for both parties to weaken/destroy each other and reap the benefits. 

Do you get your geo polytics form videogames ?

Actually they whooped the Talibans ass, then left and the incompetant afgan gov let them regroup and rebuild.

Russia is not stupid nor does it live in some fairy tales.  A War between the other two is really not good for them, economically and by the fact US would smash China and rearm ten time over due to the war.  Russia does not want to move in to Eastern Europe neither does it actually have the capability.  War would not weaken the US, its military industry would go into overdrive same way it did in ww2.  Plus other industry's by sheer nessecity.  




Soundwave on 06 December 2016
Egelo said:
Soundwave said:

Keeping in mind, the US still hasn't defeated cave dwelling Taliban after 15 years and had everything they could handle and then some with jungle faring Vietnemese. 

Russia wouldn't openly ally with China, but I think behind the scenes they probably would. US being bogged down in war with China would be great for Russia, they could "quietly" move in Eastern Europe and no one would be able to raise much of a stink, sit back and wait for both parties to weaken/destroy each other and reap the benefits. 

Do you get your geo polytics form videogames ?

Actually they whooped the Talibans ass, then left and the incompetant afgan gov let them regroup and rebuild.

Russia is not stupid nor does it live in some fairy tales.  A War between the other two is really not good for them, economically and by the fact US would smash China and rearm ten time over due to the war.  Russia does not want to move in to Eastern Europe neither does it actually have the capability.  War would not weaken the US, its military industry would go into overdrive same way it did in ww2.  Plus other industry's by sheer nessecity.  

No, lol, I don't play any military video games, don't have any interest in that. I do enjoy studying history, World War II and the Cold War in particular though. 

A war between China/US if sufficently devastating enough would leave Russia and Germany as the defacto remaining super powers, and if you're Russia, you probably like those odds. Putin was raised and trained by the KGB, don't assume America has a monopoly on nostalgic longing for the past. Putin would go down as the greatest leader in Russian history if he was able to restore Russia as the defacto global superpower. 

Mind you, I don't think even Trump is dumb enough to let things ever get that far, and even if he did, he'd like face impeachment and/or a coup from within his own government. 



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Egelo on 06 December 2016
Soundwave said:
Egelo said:

Do you get your geo polytics form videogames ?

Actually they whooped the Talibans ass, then left and the incompetant afgan gov let them regroup and rebuild.

Russia is not stupid nor does it live in some fairy tales.  A War between the other two is really not good for them, economically and by the fact US would smash China and rearm ten time over due to the war.  Russia does not want to move in to Eastern Europe neither does it actually have the capability.  War would not weaken the US, its military industry would go into overdrive same way it did in ww2.  Plus other industry's by sheer nessecity.  

No, lol, I don't play any military video games, don't have any interest in that. I do enjoy studying history, World War II and the Cold War in particular though. 

A war between China/US if sufficently devastating enough would leave Russia and Germany as the defacto remaining super powers, and if you're Russia, you probably like those odds. Putin was raised and trained by the KGB, don't assume America has a monopoly on nostalgic longing for the past. Putin would go down as the greatest leader in Russian history if he was able to restore Russia as the defacto global superpower. 

Mind you, I don't think even Trump is dumb enough to let things ever get that far, and even if he did, he'd like face impeachment and/or a coup from within his own government. 

You dont give of any impression.  Take away US and China and there are no superpowers, there would be regional powers nothing more.  

Putin can nostlgia all he wants, they lack any industry of an actual economy beyond gas and oil to ever be a superpower.  If not for their nukes they would be near irrelevent.  Germany becoming a superpower is to joke if i ever heard one, ther population is severly lacking the mentality to militarize (nazi guilt) their army currently is a joke and military service/jobs are looked down on.  And I truely really really dont see any neighbouring nations giving the Germans a chance in hell to become a military power given their history.  I can tell you now the French and Pols would quickly ally and wage war if Germany was on that path agian, lessons learned.     



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RenCutypoison on 06 December 2016
JRPGfan said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Einstein shoule have stuck to academia.

You do realise the weapons today are capable of like laying waste to the intire surface of the world, 12 times over or something like that right?

Any war that ends up being faught like this... there is no winner, only losers.

Its why its called MAD - mutual assured destruction.

A real war between the US and China, doesnt end well.

 

A trade war? US probably suffers just as much as china does in that situation.  Doubt anything good will come of that either.

Europe would rise. I like that option.



Swordmasterman on 06 December 2016
Arminillo said:
Soundwave said:

On one hand, yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I can see China not seeing your point, lol. 

They are even more vindictive than the Russians and the Russians are a royal pain in the ass for the US and Europe right now. I think what will actually happen if China feels disrespected.

1.) They will start a rapid acceleration of more nuclear weapons and higher military spending in general. They are already beefing this up anyway, but look for it to increase more in the next 4 years. 

2.) I would watch for (warily) an alliance with Mexico (another country not happy with Trump). Lo and behold here's China today making a huge oil deal with Mexico:

https://www.ft.com/content/9982457e-bb31-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

The reason why something like this should be looked upon warily ... if Mexico is "bought" by China, what happens if China starts asking for military bases in Mexico? Once they have military bases in Mexico they can easily launch attacks on the US. This is exactly how the Russia/Cuba/USA conflict turned very dangerous very quickly.

3.) China will look to funnell money to basically anyone who doesn't like the US. ISIS. Iran. China has no moral qualms with fighting dirty. That's kinda the problem I see with them.

Military base in Mexico would be an open pass to pimp the shiiiit out of south Korean and Japanese bases, which china really wouldn't want.

Isn't that Trump wants to cancel their Japanese bases ? That deal made after the War.



arthurchan35 on 06 December 2016
Egelo said:
Soundwave said:

This is the type of thinking that almost destroyed the world during the Cuban Missle Crisis during the actual Cold War. JFK's military chiefs were convinced nuclear war with Russia was inevitable, if he had listened to them likely most of central Europe, China, Russia, and the probably a major US city like New York would've been eradicated in nuclear war. 

JFK + Khruschev saved the world from more extremist elements in their power ranks, I have no doubt of it. The thinking that war is inevitable and thus a first strike must be implemented is extremely dangerous, none of us posting on this board would likely even be alive to post because human history would've been so radically different. 

lol no.  China is no miltary match they are not getting into a cold war with the US, Soviets did casuse thast all they had.  

China US will clash is coming, better it be now and a trade war.  Will balance out the world.  Letting them go uninterupted out of some patetic fear is well pathetic.

By "Will balance out the world.", 

I assume you are saything US to take control of the world, because even right now, the world is not not balanced at all, with US fucked/fucking up Europe, Mid East, Saudi Aradia.



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Eagle367 on 06 December 2016
Azuren said:
Taking a phone call for congratulations doesn't mean anything. If China wants to get pissed off because of that, then fuck'em.

The media is blowing this out of proportion. It was a ten minute congratulations, not a four hour meeting.

But still, in international relations just acknowledging the existence of Taiwan is a big screw you to China. Imagine if Alaska did what Taiwan is doing and then the Chinese president takes a call from the Alaskan President.



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Eagle367 on 06 December 2016
Egelo said:
I'm all for a trade war, anything that weakens china is good for the rest of the world.

I will gladly pay more for a PS or TV if its made domestically and not in china.

I sorry but anything that weakens China is not good for the world. For example Asians except for India would be Mich happier with China then with USA since they don't seem to have an agenda against the middle East which give rise to more and more ruthless group of scum each decade



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