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fatslob-:O said:
Let them get pissed off over Trump ...

China is deep down scared as shit about Trump because their afraid he's going to take away their profits ...

People call out Trump being blind on Russian imperialism (and somewhat rightfully so) but does that mean we're supposed to be blind on China's imperialism for doing the same things to it's neighbors like claiming Taiwan for itself since it didn't officially declare it's own independence and trying to aggressively claim the South china Sea for itself ?

On one hand, yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I can see China not seeing your point, lol. 

They are even more vindictive than the Russians and the Russians are a royal pain in the ass for the US and Europe right now. I think what will actually happen if China feels disrespected.

1.) They will start a rapid acceleration of more nuclear weapons and higher military spending in general. They are already beefing this up anyway, but look for it to increase more in the next 4 years. 

2.) I would watch for (warily) an alliance with Mexico (another country not happy with Trump). Lo and behold here's China today making a huge oil deal with Mexico:

https://www.ft.com/content/9982457e-bb31-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

The reason why something like this should be looked upon warily ... if Mexico is "bought" by China, what happens if China starts asking for military bases in Mexico? Once they have military bases in Mexico they can easily launch attacks on the US. This is exactly how the Russia/Cuba/USA conflict turned very dangerous very quickly.

3.) China will look to funnell money to basically anyone who doesn't like the US. ISIS. Iran. China has no moral qualms with fighting dirty. That's kinda the problem I see with them.



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Fuck China. Why does everyone have to bend over backwards for them to the point where the President of an independent country can't answer a call from another head of state?



Mystro-Sama said:
Fuck China. Why does everyone have to bend over backwards for them to the point where the President of an independent country can't answer a call from another head of state?

I agree they should lay off Taiwan. 

On the other hand part of me says China isn't going to say "Fuck us? Oh ok, Mr. American guy. Yes, we'll fuck ourselves, you sure told us", and that'll be the end of that. 

I don't know if antagonizing them is a good play to make. 



People elected him, now live with the consequences.



Soundwave said:

On one hand, yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I can see China not seeing your point, lol. 

They are even more vindictive than the Russians and the Russians are a royal pain in the ass for the US and Europe right now. I think what will actually happen if China feels disrespected.

1.) They will start a rapid acceleration of more nuclear weapons and higher military spending in general. They are already beefing this up anyway, but look for it to increase more in the next 4 years. 

2.) I would watch for (warily) an alliance with Mexico (another country not happy with Trump). Lo and behold here's China today making a huge oil deal with Mexico:

https://www.ft.com/content/9982457e-bb31-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

The reason why something like this should be looked upon warily ... if Mexico is "bought" by China, what happens if China starts asking for military bases in Mexico? Once they have military bases in Mexico they can easily launch attacks on the US. This is exactly how the Russia/Cuba/USA conflict turned very dangerous very quickly.

3.) China will look to funnell money to basically anyone who doesn't like the US. ISIS. Iran. China has no moral qualms with fighting dirty. That's kinda the problem I see with them.

1) Even China knows it's a stupid idea to spend a higher portion of it's GDP on WMD's if their not going to use it since they know everything will go MAD. The only war that matters to China is the economic war ... 

2) It's nothing as serious as a constitutional amendment ratification you're making it out to be, just looks like a plain old business deal ... 

I highly doubt the people of Mexico will easily give up it's sovereignty in favour of fattening up their account that easily to China seeing as how the country still has a good amount nationalism and financial stability. Only when will Mexico think about selling it's territories to China if the situation is as dire as Greece was or even worse ... 

3) Why would China want to pour money in ISIS if they can't make a profit off of them ? And of course China has no moral qualms about fighting dirty like you say since the leaders exist to serve it's own country hence why they think imperialism and colonialism is a good thing in the long run ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

On one hand, yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I can see China not seeing your point, lol. 

They are even more vindictive than the Russians and the Russians are a royal pain in the ass for the US and Europe right now. I think what will actually happen if China feels disrespected.

1.) They will start a rapid acceleration of more nuclear weapons and higher military spending in general. They are already beefing this up anyway, but look for it to increase more in the next 4 years. 

2.) I would watch for (warily) an alliance with Mexico (another country not happy with Trump). Lo and behold here's China today making a huge oil deal with Mexico:

https://www.ft.com/content/9982457e-bb31-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

The reason why something like this should be looked upon warily ... if Mexico is "bought" by China, what happens if China starts asking for military bases in Mexico? Once they have military bases in Mexico they can easily launch attacks on the US. This is exactly how the Russia/Cuba/USA conflict turned very dangerous very quickly.

3.) China will look to funnell money to basically anyone who doesn't like the US. ISIS. Iran. China has no moral qualms with fighting dirty. That's kinda the problem I see with them.

1) Even China knows it's a stupid idea to spend a higher portion of it's GDP on WMD's if their not going to use it since they know everything will go MAD. The only war that matters to China is the economic war ... 

2) It's nothing as serious as a constitutional amendment ratification you're making it out to be, just looks like a plain old business deal ... 

I highly doubt the people of Mexico will easily give up it's sovereignty in favour of fattening up their account that easily to China seeing as how the country still has a good amount nationalism and financial stability. Only when will Mexico think about selling it's territories to China if the situation is as dire as Greece was or even worse ... 

3) Why would China want to pour money in ISIS if they can't make a profit off of them ? And of course China has no moral qualms about fighting dirty like you say since the leaders exist to serve it's own country hence why they think imperialism and colonialism is a good thing in the long run ... 

1.) They are spending more and more of their money on military pretty consistently since 1988 or so. I don't see that slowing. The interesting (or scary) thing about China as a potential advasary is they could mobilize very quickly because of their monstrous industrial base and population size, in a scenario where they felt threatened they could rapidly increase the deadliness of their military very, very quickly. I've read for example they would be able to double or triple their nuclear aresenal almost overnight if they really wanted to. 

2.) There are lots of poor Latin American countries that China could sink its teeth into, they have a ton of money, Mexico would be a logical one to target though especially if they are going to be given the cold shoulder by the US. A few military bases doesn't mean giving up sovereignty in China's eyes it would just be the US getting a taste of their own medicine since the US has military bases everywhere in the world. This would be simply taking a page out of the USSR's playbook (alligning with Cuba to put pressure back on the US for having NATO bases everywhere). 

3.) Why? To be a dick. The same way Russia has, enraged that the US/EU may have pushed a coup in Ukraine have opted to give headaches by destabilizing Syria and creating a scenario in which Assad cannot be removed and flooding EU with migrants. Russia loves all that. China would play the same game, only it would be worse. It also really wouldn't cost that much. Arming a bunch of crazies doesn't cost much (unfortunately). 



I enjoy passing off China. Sure, it will suck if things get more expensive here, but destabilizing china will help the reformists there



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Soundwave said:
fatslob-:O said:
Let them get pissed off over Trump ...

China is deep down scared as shit about Trump because their afraid he's going to take away their profits ...

People call out Trump being blind on Russian imperialism (and somewhat rightfully so) but does that mean we're supposed to be blind on China's imperialism for doing the same things to it's neighbors like claiming Taiwan for itself since it didn't officially declare it's own independence and trying to aggressively claim the South china Sea for itself ?

On one hand, yes I can see your point. On the other hand, I can see China not seeing your point, lol. 

They are even more vindictive than the Russians and the Russians are a royal pain in the ass for the US and Europe right now. I think what will actually happen if China feels disrespected.

1.) They will start a rapid acceleration of more nuclear weapons and higher military spending in general. They are already beefing this up anyway, but look for it to increase more in the next 4 years. 

2.) I would watch for (warily) an alliance with Mexico (another country not happy with Trump). Lo and behold here's China today making a huge oil deal with Mexico:

https://www.ft.com/content/9982457e-bb31-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

The reason why something like this should be looked upon warily ... if Mexico is "bought" by China, what happens if China starts asking for military bases in Mexico? Once they have military bases in Mexico they can easily launch attacks on the US. This is exactly how the Russia/Cuba/USA conflict turned very dangerous very quickly.

3.) China will look to funnell money to basically anyone who doesn't like the US. ISIS. Iran. China has no moral qualms with fighting dirty. That's kinda the problem I see with them.

Military base in Mexico would be an open pass to pimp the shiiiit out of south Korean and Japanese bases, which china really wouldn't want.



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4 to 8 years under demagogue Trump as President will make it an interesting period in world politics.



Mexico is likely to become a failed state if Trump carries on with his wall and economic war against Mexico