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WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

Hasn't for example Belgium moved in a more socialist direction for 20 years now, with Cultral Marxism creeping in at the institutional level?

No government programs to raise awareness for feminism and multiculture? No safe spaces or trigger warnings at universities?

They've been slashing a public funds for years now, the universities are being privitized, water is being privitized. Hardly a socialist direction.

The largest scandel where femminist protest came into action was a sexual offense scandal, which is not to be taken lightly.

Oh, and Cultural Marxism doesn't exist.

Cultural Marxism definitely exists because since the fall of Communism in the early 90's, socialists have largely abandoned the field of economics and instead concentrate on moral values, culture and ideology.

A Cultural Marxist himself doesn't use the term, he prefers to describe himself as a "progressive", and sometimes as a "humanist" or "socialist".



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Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

They've been slashing a public funds for years now, the universities are being privitized, water is being privitized. Hardly a socialist direction.

The largest scandel where femminist protest came into action was a sexual offense scandal, which is not to be taken lightly.

Oh, and Cultural Marxism doesn't exist.

Cultural Marxism definitely exists because since the fall of Communism in the early 90's, socialists have largely abandoned the field of economics and instead concentrate on moral values, culture and ideology.

A Cultural Marxist himself doesn't use the term, he prefers to describe himself as a "progressive", and sometimes as a "humanist" or "socialist".

It definitly does not exist. If you're a communist, you're an economist front and center. You have a few exeptions, like Gramsci who had his theory of Cultural Hegemony, which was mainly aimed at the domination of liberal ideology and served as an analysis to ty and create a counterculture, and you have the Frankfurter School of Marxism who along the lines of people like Marx, Hegel and Lukàcs analyse and discern society.

Neither however concerns themselves largely with the problems you people define as "Cultural Marxism". One of my professors, which is a Frankfurter Marxist even rails against modern gender studies since they often concern themselves with small societal peeves he considers a waste of time (and that they should mainly focus on issues of inequality instead).

If anything, the broad array of issues labeled as "Cultural Marxism" should be reclassified as "Cultural Liberalism", for there is no greater deestroyer of culture than capitalism and if anyone is in the process of making einheitswurst, it's liberals.

Cultural Marxism is a fad, it never existed in the first place and never wil.



WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

Cultural Marxism definitely exists because since the fall of Communism in the early 90's, socialists have largely abandoned the field of economics and instead concentrate on moral values, culture and ideology.

A Cultural Marxist himself doesn't use the term, he prefers to describe himself as a "progressive", and sometimes as a "humanist" or "socialist".

It definitly does not exist. If you're a communist, you're an economist front and center. You have a few exeptions, like Gramsci who had his theory of Cultural Hegemony, which was mainly aimed at the domination of liberal ideology and served as an analysis to ty and create a counterculture, and you have the Frankfurter School of Marxism who along the lines of people like Marx, Hegel and Lukàcs analyse and discern society.

Neither however concerns themselves largely with the problems you people define as "Cultural Marxism". One of my professors, which is a Frankfurter Marxist even rails against modern gender studies since they often concern themselves with small societal peeves he considers a waste of time (and that they should mainly focus on issues of inequality instead).

If anything, the broad array of issues labeled as "Cultural Marxism" should be reclassified as "Cultural Liberalism", for there is no greater deestroyer of culture than capitalism and if anyone is in the process of making einheitswurst, it's liberals.

Cultural Marxism is a fad, it never existed in the first place and never wil.

A true communist is an economist, but how many of those are there these days? Perhaps 1% of the population.

And all these progressive totalitarian leftists of today, they're definitely not liberals, although some of them have hijacked that name.

Funny about your professor though since he's said to belong to the origin of this movement on the higher intellectual and academic level.

Naturally you can't track cultural marxism to just one university though, and I've never belonged to those who claim it's a conspiracy. There's many factors, one of them being the 60's worldwide socialist youth movement when it was still largely economical, but became increasingly cultural. And the last 15-20 years are extremely important.



Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It definitly does not exist. If you're a communist, you're an economist front and center. You have a few exeptions, like Gramsci who had his theory of Cultural Hegemony, which was mainly aimed at the domination of liberal ideology and served as an analysis to ty and create a counterculture, and you have the Frankfurter School of Marxism who along the lines of people like Marx, Hegel and Lukàcs analyse and discern society.

Neither however concerns themselves largely with the problems you people define as "Cultural Marxism". One of my professors, which is a Frankfurter Marxist even rails against modern gender studies since they often concern themselves with small societal peeves he considers a waste of time (and that they should mainly focus on issues of inequality instead).

If anything, the broad array of issues labeled as "Cultural Marxism" should be reclassified as "Cultural Liberalism", for there is no greater deestroyer of culture than capitalism and if anyone is in the process of making einheitswurst, it's liberals.

Cultural Marxism is a fad, it never existed in the first place and never wil.

A true communist is an economist, but how many of those are there these days? Perhaps 1% of the population.

And all these progressive totalitarian leftists of today, they're definitely not liberals, although some of them have hijacked that name.

Funny about your professor though since he's said to belong to the origin of this movement on the higher intellectual and academic level.

Naturally you can't track cultural marxism to just one university though, and I've never belonged to those who claim it's a conspiracy. There's many factors, one of them being the 60's worldwide socialist youth movement when it was still largely economical, but became increasingly cultural. And the last 15-20 years are extremely important.

Look, Marxist theory has never become cultural. You always had cultural interpretations, but these always deal with elite culture and inequality.

The kind of Cultural Marxism I hear so many people nagging on about DOES NOT EXIST. There has not been a cultural shift and especially not in these days, when the more hardline theories are reserting dominance. I can tell you, I'm in my university's local communist group, which has people from all kind of Marxist, Socialist and Communist thought and hardline Marxism-Lenninism has never been as popular. All the other left groups are likewise mainly focused on economic issues, with culture being a part of course, but only when it matters.

There has been no socialist conspiracy to apprehend and change culture. If anything, that's where liberals are good at (and that also explains why they are so suprised when people elect people like Trump, since they often live in social bubbles and can't see what happens at the lower and middle ends of society).



WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

A true communist is an economist, but how many of those are there these days? Perhaps 1% of the population.

And all these progressive totalitarian leftists of today, they're definitely not liberals, although some of them have hijacked that name.

Funny about your professor though since he's said to belong to the origin of this movement on the higher intellectual and academic level.

Naturally you can't track cultural marxism to just one university though, and I've never belonged to those who claim it's a conspiracy. There's many factors, one of them being the 60's worldwide socialist youth movement when it was still largely economical, but became increasingly cultural. And the last 15-20 years are extremely important.

Look, Marxist theory has never become cultural. You always had cultural interpretations, but these always deal with elite culture and inequality.

The kind of Cultural Marxism I hear so many people nagging on about DOES NOT EXIST. There has not been a cultural shift and especially not in these days, when the more hardline theories are reserting dominance. I can tell you, I'm in my university's local communist group, which has people from all kind of Marxist, Socialist and Communist thought and hardline Marxism-Lenninism has never been as popular. All the other left groups are likewise mainly focused on economic issues, with culture being a part of course, but only when it matters.

There has been no socialist conspiracy to apprehend and change culture. If anything, that's where liberals are good at (and that also explains why they are so suprised when people elect people like Trump, since they often live in social bubbles and can't see what happens at the lower and middle ends of society).

"hardline Marxism-Leninism has never been as popular"?

But that's completely false. Hardline Marxism-Leninism is minimal in the West today. It was much much bigger in the 60s and the 70s.

"Marxist theory has never become cultural."

That's true for traditional Marxism, the one from the 19th century up until 1989. But since the Cultural revolution of Mao and since the student protests in the 60's, socialism has become increasingly very much cultural.



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Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Look, Marxist theory has never become cultural. You always had cultural interpretations, but these always deal with elite culture and inequality.

The kind of Cultural Marxism I hear so many people nagging on about DOES NOT EXIST. There has not been a cultural shift and especially not in these days, when the more hardline theories are reserting dominance. I can tell you, I'm in my university's local communist group, which has people from all kind of Marxist, Socialist and Communist thought and hardline Marxism-Lenninism has never been as popular. All the other left groups are likewise mainly focused on economic issues, with culture being a part of course, but only when it matters.

There has been no socialist conspiracy to apprehend and change culture. If anything, that's where liberals are good at (and that also explains why they are so suprised when people elect people like Trump, since they often live in social bubbles and can't see what happens at the lower and middle ends of society).

"hardline Marxism-Leninism has never been as popular"?

But that's completely false. Hardline Marxism-Leninism is minimal in the West today. It was much much bigger in the 60s and the 70s.

"Marxist theory has never become cultural."

That's true for traditional Marxism, the one from the 19th century up until 1989. But since the Cultural revolution of Mao and since the student protests in the 60's, socialism has become increasingly very much cultural.

I meant, never as popular since the fall of the eastern block.

And you can't seriously see the Cultural Revolution as a sign of an increasing "cultural socialism". The Cultural Revolution was Mao's way to regain the zenith of his power and hold it, it actually had very little to do with culture.