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Trunkin said:
So I just went to Best Buy to take a look at their 4K HDR displays... I think I'm gonna have to retract a lot of the shit I've said about 4K. It is noticeably sharper than 1080p, especially when you see them back to back. Even the non-HDR displays looked very nice. I dunno wtf is wrong with Walmart's 4K TVs that they look so shit. Shame I won't be able to afford one of these displays any time soon.

What material were they playing on it though? At my local best buy all the 1080p sets display a standard hd cable tv channel, 7-8 mbps mpeg2 720p/1080i feed, while the 4K sets display pristine demo material at higher than 4k blu-ray quality with enhanced HDR footage. Perhaps Walmart feeds the same shitty feed to all tvs? I wish these shops were more honest and put a blu-ray next to a 4k blu-ray to actually see the difference. Then you can actually walk back and check at what distance/size it's worth it for you.



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Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

This diagram doesn't seem right. You can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 15 inch screen at 3m away?

It is actually correct.

However it's more of a guideline.
Human vision can exceed 20/20 for example... What it's trying to say is that you get diminishing returns after those points.

Guess my vision doesn't. Simple test on my laptop 15.4" 1080p laptop screen. I can tell that 1080p is sharper than 540p at 1m distance. Can't tell the difference at 2m, let alone 3m.

540p created by downsampling to 960x270, then pixels quadrupled back to 1920x540.
Top left, bottom right are at full res, Bottom left and top right are at half res. (Obviously open full screen, it all looks identical at 960x540)

But true the old chart is too conservative, this new one is a bit over the top.



SvennoJ said:
Trunkin said:
So I just went to Best Buy to take a look at their 4K HDR displays... I think I'm gonna have to retract a lot of the shit I've said about 4K. It is noticeably sharper than 1080p, especially when you see them back to back. Even the non-HDR displays looked very nice. I dunno wtf is wrong with Walmart's 4K TVs that they look so shit. Shame I won't be able to afford one of these displays any time soon.

What material were they playing on it though? At my local best buy all the 1080p sets display a standard hd cable tv channel, 7-8 mbps mpeg2 720p/1080i feed, while the 4K sets display pristine demo material at higher than 4k blu-ray quality with enhanced HDR footage. Perhaps Walmart feeds the same shitty feed to all tvs? I wish these shops were more honest and put a blu-ray next to a 4k blu-ray to actually see the difference. Then you can actually walk back and check at what distance/size it's worth it for you.

The most expensive 4K displays at this Bestbuy each had their own unique demo reel, while the cheaper 4K sets had ads for Netflix, Hulu, etc. 1080p sets were playing seemingly random footage. One was what looked like a DVD of TDKR, and some of the others had TV ads running, so it could have been cable. Walmarts in my area tend to have the same footage showing on all their TVs usually with one special exception, so you may have hit the nail on the head, there.

I didn't realise cable was still capped at 1080i. 7-8mbits? Wtf? Does that include channels like HBO and Starz? Bummer, if so. I guess this explains why the Walking Dead looks and sounds so much better on Netflix than it does on TV.



Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

This diagram doesn't seem right. You can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 15 inch screen at 3m away?

It is actually correct.

However it's more of a guideline.
Human vision can exceed 20/20 for example... What it's trying to say is that you get diminishing returns after those points.

The calculator on rtings.com tells a completely difference story. I need a 75" at 3m to benefit from 4k.



Ruler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7PHjY-a_6w

 

I'm completely blown away by the price of the TV I'll need for this



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Lawlight said:

The calculator on rtings.com tells a completely difference story. I need a 75" at 3m to benefit from 4k.

There is a benefit to 4k over 1440P on a 5" phone, even if you cannot actually discern the individual pixels.

It's a guideline, everyone's vision is different... And games aren't movies, there are other benefits to rendering a game at a higher resolution.



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Pemalite said:
Lawlight said:

The calculator on rtings.com tells a completely difference story. I need a 75" at 3m to benefit from 4k.

There is a benefit to 4k over 1440P on a 5" phone, even if you cannot actually discern the individual pixels.

It's a guideline, everyone's vision is different... And games aren't movies, there are other benefits to rendering a game at a higher resolution.

A 5" iPhone isn't viewed from 3m away.



Trunkin said:

The most expensive 4K displays at this Bestbuy each had their own unique demo reel, while the cheaper 4K sets had ads for Netflix, Hulu, etc. 1080p sets were playing seemingly random footage. One was what looked like a DVD of TDKR, and some of the others had TV ads running, so it could have been cable. Walmarts in my area tend to have the same footage showing on all their TVs usually with one special exception, so you may have hit the nail on the head, there.

I didn't realise cable was still capped at 1080i. 7-8mbits? Wtf? Does that include channels like HBO and Starz? Bummer, if so. I guess this explains why the Walking Dead looks and sounds so much better on Netflix than it does on TV.

Afaik hdtv broadcasts are still in 720p or 1080i. My cable box doesn't have a 1080p option, 1080i is the highest. At the start (2006) we got the full 15mbps channels, yet after they started adding more HD channels they reduced the bandwith to half to squeeze more in. It's something like this: Channels are received at 21mbps, it used to be 1 HD channel packed with 1 SD channel, now 3 HD channels are packed together and SD channels have been compressed even further. There's only a maximum amount of total bandwidth, more channels = lower quality.
If you know how big the HDD is in your pvr it's not that difficult to caclulate the average bandwidth. The more fits on, the lower the bandwidth gets.

And yeah HD cable looks like a joke during fast action scenes. Analog tv looked better during fast action. However analog has been axed completely to make room for more 'HD' channels. (You need a digital adapter now for horrible quality SD channels)



I guess I have to take their word. My monitor is $hit :)



Lawlight said:
Pemalite said:

There is a benefit to 4k over 1440P on a 5" phone, even if you cannot actually discern the individual pixels.

It's a guideline, everyone's vision is different... And games aren't movies, there are other benefits to rendering a game at a higher resolution.

A 5" iPhone isn't viewed from 3m away.

The iPhone doesn't have a 1440P panel, let along 4k, but the same premise holds true.



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