Ok, makes sense. Always read about the fp16 number and thought to myself that 1Tflop aint that bad, and it fits right in to the Xbox One mold of performance especially if they went with X2's... but but but.. wasnt that good afterall :<

Nintendo needs to break that distinction, the NX is not a rinky dinky little cute handheld. 

It will be a tablet sized device most likely (a Tegra simply would melt the inside of a 3DS XL even). It will be able to play games on the television and on the tablet. It may even run Android apps. 

This is a new product category guys, this is not 3DS-2. 

Even for 3DS, I would expect a "3DS Tablet" to cost at least $250. Anyone who sees the NX and thinks it should be $199.99 (the same price as a 3DS XL) is being ridiculous IMO. 

The PSP launched very successfully at $250 too ... 3DS and Vita both had issues because they aren't smart devices and launched in the era of the smart device, I think this is going to be the big change from Nintendo -- NX will be a smart device (as in it will be able to run Android apps, maybe just the Nintendo approved ones, but apps none the less). Both 3DS and Vita quite frankly also had poor launch lineups. 

Even the original DS struggled for a while, people don't remember that now but it was being outsold by the PSP which was double the price almost for a lot of 2005 until they started to break through with expanded audience games like Brain Training and Nintendogs and released the DS Lite with New Super Mario Bros. that's when the system finally really took off in North America/Europe but by then it was almost 1 1/2 years old.

In fact the DS sales were a bit too sluggish that Nintendo actually had to drop the price of it by August 2005 to from $149.99 to $129.99. Not a big cut, but sales weren't exactly lighting the world on fire in the West for the DS. 

That just goes to show ... it's hard to sell any device when you don't have a good library, even the DS, the best selling portable ever had a slow-ish start. 

Is not like the AMD powered WiiU did amazing, either.

Because in benchmark tests for Nvidia and AMD GPU its vere offer situation that some AMD graphic has same or higher GFLOPs than NVIDIA graphic but NVIDIA has better performance in tests. Thats why its widely accepted that NVIDIA Gflops "more valuable" than AMD Gflops".

Also Emily Rogers started when she talked about NX power, thats very hard to compare NX power with PS4/XB1 consoles, she said NX power is closer to XB1 but that really is like you comparing apples and oranges. That statment actualy perfectly fits if NX relly using Tegra X1 or X2 chip.

No its not cheap because here you have two devices that are part of same platform, you can use NX SCD dock stand alone, but you could use completely separate Wii U and 3DS or Wii and DS because they are totally different and stand alone products.

In case of NX, we could have NX handheld for $149-199 and base unit for $99 very easy.

Nvidia relly can't say anything that will disproves eurogamers infos, maybe only if they say loud and clear, we dont have any involvement with Nintendo hardware. :)

It could be all of the above.
Gflop is Physical shader units * 2 * Clock speed, it may be accounting for clockspeed changes thanks to Turbo.

Denver 2 should be able to out-bench Jaguar. But... And this is the big but. There is only 2 of those cores plus the other Quad Arm cores.
Jaguar has more cores which should make up for the single-core performance deficiency.
I would probably need to spend more time looking at the lower-level details to know how they stack up though...

But in the end, we need to keep things in perspective. Both Jaguar and Tegra X2 has Tablet levels of CPU performance which is ultimately nothing to write home about.

It's actually due to energy consumption, not bandwidth.

nVidia actually doubled the memory bus and improved bandwidth efficiency by roughly 20%.

However... Tegra X1 was built at 20nm, not 28nm.
Tegra X2 is actually being built at a "20nm FinFet" that has been branded as 16nm FF.

Basically there hasn't really been a geometric feature size shrink to reduce power consumption like what we saw on the Desktop PC.

Whilst correct that mobile devices usually have high resolution panels... It's another matter entirely natively running them at those resolutions, mobile devices usually upscale everything.

Needs to be a decent panel type though, if it's Twisted Nematic... Shoot me now.
Verticle Alignment panels I would be fine with...
In-Pane Switching panels I would prefer, if it has a high refresh rate.

The chips will be semi-custom at most. Not custom.. There is a very big difference between the two.

It's actually more than doubled in the real world.

If nVidia uses Transmeta's code morphing tech in Denver 2 successfully... Ports might actually be really simple and easy, still won't be optimal as building a game/engine natively for the hardware though, but certainly a better predicament than the Wii U is in.

As chips grow in size, feature more transisters and become more intricate and do more... The less financially feasible it is to have custom designs.
It will be semi-custom at most, it will still be Tegra, but with a couple of minor changes to suit what Nintendo wants, but overall it's still Tegra.

No.

To be fair though... CPU's have slowly becoming more and more irrellevent for gaming as time goes on.

If we were to go back to the early days of the PS1... Things like lighting calculations would have been done on the CPU, eventually they were moved onto the GPU.

Of course there will always be a need for CPU's as serialised processing is better suited to being done on the CPU with high levels of serial performance rather than parallel based processors like the GPU.

Things change though... Technology doesn't stand still for no one.

Yes. Go look up the benchmarks at Anandtech.com

Because there are different types of Flops.

The X1 is indeed theoretically capable of that claimed number.

FP16 is usually double the performance of FP32 with Tegra.
So it should be 1250 Gflop for Tegra X2 in FP16 tasks.
Not that's actually that important anyway.

FP16 is important because it's actually important for mobile, it's what the majority of mobile applications use due to the energy efficiency advantages it brings.
AMD's GCN 1.0 doesn't have native hardware support for it though because it's not a mobile centric architecture first and foremost.

AMD's GCN 4.0 does have Half Precision support with performance equivalent to single precision, which is likely what Scorpio and Neo will be based on.

Contrary to popular belief, it's not some conspiracy theory from nVidia to make it's hardware seem more capable than it really is... People just need to learn what floating point is all about.

It actually is though.

The architecture scales depending on clock/voltage so it can go from Tablets up to Industrial or Servers.

I think 3rd party support will come down to how successfull the device is.

It's one thing to scale your game downwards to suit weaker hardware... It's another thing entirely for it to be financially viable if you don't have a market.

The Xbox One is vastly superior in multiple aspects.

It will be a beast for a handheld, a little more moderate for a dedicated stationary gaming device though.

I think it will be a little more potent than some people realise... And a bit weaker than what some other people realise as well.
To me it's a good middle ground between the Wii U and the Xbox One, like a half-gen device, just with more modern graphics effects.

But it says BOTH will recieve top end tech. There's no way they're going to put out a console that's over $400. With the console that has a andheld that can be bought seperately (which is what the link implies) it makes sense as you can upgrade as needed and wanted. With a handheld that docks you cannot, and would be absolute financial suicide.

It's the Wall Street Journal guy you're referring to right? He's since come out and stated what Eurogamer reported is basically what his sources are telling him. Odds are in that initial report he didn't quite understand the unit/concept. That older article (from last October) said the "exact shape of the NX hardware is not clear yet".

Like I wrote, ofcourse they didn't know all details year ago, but concept is basically same, hybrid platform. Eurogamers also talked about two devices, handheld and base unit.

Basicly.

It's hard to take something that has info we KNOW is false and try to say a part of it is true. All I'm saying.

I really don't see what you try to prove here, from statment its obvious they were not sure about form factor or number of devices (very first sentence is "The exact shape of the NX hardware isn't yet clear") even they were right about concept, but they sound confident about that NX will use industry-leading chips.