1) There is no problem in having 2 versions of the same game. The better version will not be bogged down by low fidelity one. That's how graphic sliders work.

2) You will see some 4k games on 30fps, Developers don't feel obligated to release 1080p games in 60fps so they won't feel obligated to do this for games in 4k. You will however see a lot of games that run 1080p60 which would otherwise only run at 30fps on the weaker console.

3)Scorpio targets people who already own an X1 or always wanted to have one but haven't bought it yet, no one else and least PC players.

4) you won't see the Scorpio being more expensive than 699. Which doesn't matter though since it wouldn't see much more success even if it was sold for half of that.

You ask me why I think the scorpio will be a flop? See point 3.

Despite the bad launch of the Xbox One, it had higher sales in launch than both Original Xbox and Xbox 360, do you think that Scorpion can beat that ? It is hard to know, but, since it seems that Microsoft turned their image from what it was in 2013, maybe they will be able to achieve that atleast in the USA. People purchased a underpowered Xbox One with Kinect for over 500US$, Scorpio will be very powerful, the price may be a little higher than that, but I think that,with the high power, it will be able to compete against Xbox One's Launch. We will need to see how well it goes after that. Will be interesting, it is the first console that will launch when they announced  that every game will  have a PC Version, maybe even Steam Version. 

It is different than other things, 500US+ is very expensive when you have to purchase games that cost 60US+ and, majority of the times, a lot of DLC. Consoles need a massive public in order to sell games and  to make  developers work on those consoles. Otherwise, developers would need to make more money and would put endless amount of DLC in every game.

I was thinking this will be priced at $399-450 or $450-499, but looking at what's been said about the cost of the card alone not including everything else needed that goes into a console, i can see this being between $699-750.

The cost of the chip alone might be $300. Add a TB hard drive, Bluetooth, wireless, Ram, audio chip, fan, casing, power unit, controller, logistics and retailer profit margin, this won't be cheap.

You aren't thinking out of the box. Ok. let's look at a scenario.

Sony makes the PS5 and that comes in 2020. And in 2023/2024 they make the PS5 neo. So we have PS4/PS4n/PS5/PS5n all in a 11yr window. Let's call all these consoles the Orbis platform. All using the same OS on the PS4 today.

Between all these consoles Sony has a total of around 150M users.

If you can play GTA7 on the PS5 at 4k/60fps, yet you can play the same game on the PS4 at 720p/30fps. Do you you think there won't be people willing to pay $100 for that 720p experience? Do you realize that most gamers will at some point upgrade anyways? And that this gen blurring thing is just to ensure that they are locked into the same ecosystem forever?

One day, 12yrs after the PS4 launched, we will no doubt see a game that is not supported on the PS4 running on the PS5/PS5n. But that game could still on some level run on the PS4n. Tjing is by that time the PS4 would have long since been phased out. It would have been obsolete even if it still on some level can play most PS5 games. 

Because they would flounder and die on the hill of higher resolution.

Making consoles prophibitively expesnsive so that a fraction of gamers can play games in native 4K instead of upscaled 4K would be a really dumb idea.

^ this is why I think the PS4 neo will be a bigger success than the Scorpio, even if its the weaker of the two.

The price of the scorpio will mean it wont sell as many units as the Neo.

Sony again targeting the 399$ price range, but just makeing sure they cram as much performance pr $ into the box as they can at that price, is a perfectly valid strategy.

A 599$ scorpio wont sell more units than the 399$ PS4 neo, imo.

More than $399? I doubt it. It's just a new GPU with an overclocked CPU and updated memory (if the rumors are true, which it seems they are).

Yes that would be a dumb idea. Good thing thats not whats happenning.

This is all sounding more and more like people just refusing to look at the facts simply cause they don't like the "idea" of something. Yet in so doong they are making their assumptions from a position of stubborn ignorance. 

You and many others talk as if things like the Neo/Scorpio are here to replace everything. They aren't. they are here to give another option. Albeit a more expensive one. 

By definition, the phrase prohibitively expensive means you are walking off customers due to price. That's only true if come the Neo/scorpio launch you simply can't just walk into a store and walk out with a PS4/XB1s respectively. 

Look at it this way. If you want a more powerful version of the PS4/XB1 then you pay more for it. If you want 4k you pay more for it. If you can't afford to pay more for it then you probably also can't afford to buy a 4k tv anyways and still use a 1080p TV and in that case, the cheaper 1080p version of those consoles are still there sitting on shelves for you to buy. Simple as that.

It's like going into buy a TV. they all will play Suicide squad just the same. The exact same movie. However, you have a choice of paying $400 for a 1080p Tv or $1000 for a 4k tv. 

Sony can afford to charge more for 4k cause they aren't planning to nor do they expect to sell that box to everyone. But they know there are those that want that box to go with their 4k TVs. By the time 4k TVs become as accessible as 1080p sets are, those consoles would also be cheaper. 

Please, what exactly is wrong with all of this?

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Programming for the Scorpio and programming for the X1 has nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, to do with "how graphic sliders" work. Have you ever thought about how difficult it is to match low speed Jaguar cores with (high speed, low sized) esram? If you solved that problem, then you'd proceed to, in the Scorpio case, working with high speed cores and no esram at all. Whichever way you go, up from X1 to Scorpio, or down from Scorpio to X1, it takes a lot of work and ther won't be any "magical sliders" if you want good perfomance on either console.