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Yep, the future is without console generations, there may be a ps5 but that'll be it. Depending on how technology advances in regards to cloud gaming we may very well see an end to consoles as well.



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Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Both the Neo, and the Scorpio are bad ideas. I think with Sony, the Neo is a one time deal. With Microsoft it sounds like they are going to start releasing an upgraded Xbox every other year. 

They are good ideas in my opinion. Less tech stagnation, consoles more likely able to keep pace with PC gaming.

I would rather not have a repeat of the extended last generation where I felt like poking my eyes out with a hot fire poking iron near the end, the games looked bad.

Up until the PS2, every new console generation was a quantum leap in graphics. Going from the PS1/N64 to the PS2/NGC was like going from modern graphics, to full blown photo-realism. Imagine a new console releases, and they put the game on the T.V. screen and people walk by and they think you are watching a movie, because it looks exactly the same as real life down to every little detail. Modern graphics improvements are small, incremental, and pathetic by comparison. 

Saying that console graphics have to keep up with PC gaming is just as dumb as saying that the SNES needed to keep up with the 3D0, Jagaur, etc.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Pemalite said:

They are good ideas in my opinion. Less tech stagnation, consoles more likely able to keep pace with PC gaming.

I would rather not have a repeat of the extended last generation where I felt like poking my eyes out with a hot fire poking iron near the end, the games looked bad.

Up until the PS2, every new console generation was a quantum leap in graphics. Going from the PS1/N64 to the PS2/NGC was like going from modern graphics, to full blown photo-realism. Imagine a new console releases, and they put the game on the T.V. screen and people walk by and they think you are watching a movie, because it looks exactly the same as real life down to every little detail. Modern graphics improvements are small, incremental, and pathetic by comparison. 

Saying that console graphics have to keep up with PC gaming is just as dumb as saying that the SNES needed to keep up with the 3D0, Jagaur, etc.

Please. Today is very different from 15-30 years ago that you are making those comparisons against.

The market is larger, more mature and peoples needs/wants/desires have changed.

And if you want those "big leaps" in image quality, then you will need to wait longer and longer between generations, tech advancement is slowing down and consoles very much rely on PC technology advancement, not to mention that in order to double the image quality of a game... You require orders-of-magnitude more hardware.

Consoles hold back the potential of PC gaming, that cannot be disputed and the PC is the largest gaming platform other than Android and iOS in terms of user numbers.



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Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Up until the PS2, every new console generation was a quantum leap in graphics. Going from the PS1/N64 to the PS2/NGC was like going from modern graphics, to full blown photo-realism. Imagine a new console releases, and they put the game on the T.V. screen and people walk by and they think you are watching a movie, because it looks exactly the same as real life down to every little detail. Modern graphics improvements are small, incremental, and pathetic by comparison. 

Saying that console graphics have to keep up with PC gaming is just as dumb as saying that the SNES needed to keep up with the 3D0, Jagaur, etc.

And if you want those "big leaps" in image quality, then you will need to wait longer and longer between generations, tech advancement is slowing down and consoles very much rely on PC technology advancement, not to mention that in order to double the image quality of a game... You require orders-of-magnitude more hardware.

Consoles hold back the potential of PC gaming, that cannot be disputed and the PC is the largest gaming platform other than Android and iOS in terms of user numbers.

We agree that tech advancement is slowing down. That was one of my main points. Why claim that graphics are so important when, the improvements are becoming less and less? I'm pretty sure that both Consoles and PC rely on the same advancements in technology. Unless you mean, that the fastest chip/graphics-card/etc. always comes to PC first. But that's a given. Of course it is going to be on PC first, when the fastest graphics card costs $600 there is no way it will be on a console. 

Holding back indeed. Pay 1k for a top of the line gaming PC. Put your game in, expecting the most cutting edge graphics. Game doesn't have the graphics to take advantage of your hardware because it was developed for consoles as well as PC. The irony is hilarious. 

Yes. The PC has the largest number of users other than Android and iOS. Does it matter if the vast majority of those users only play three to four games every console cycle? Does it matter if they spend a grand total of thirty dollars on games, per person, per year? Lowest common denominator is a fantastic thing to brag about. 

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Cerebralbore101 said:

Holding back indeed. Pay 1k for a top of the line gaming PC. Put your game in, expecting the most cutting edge graphics. Game doesn't have the graphics to take advantage of your hardware because it was developed for consoles as well as PC. The irony is hilarious. 

Yes. The PC has the most dumb clueless users, other than Android and iOS. Lowest common denominator is a fantastic thing to brag about. 

The PC does get the cutting edge graphics. (And P.S. I tend to pay more than 1k for a PC.)
But it could also be so much more, there is no irony in that.

And calling PC gamers dumb and clueless? Holy crap, I have been banned for saying less than that.



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Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Holding back indeed. Pay 1k for a top of the line gaming PC. Put your game in, expecting the most cutting edge graphics. Game doesn't have the graphics to take advantage of your hardware because it was developed for consoles as well as PC. The irony is hilarious. 

Yes. The PC has the most dumb clueless users, other than Android and iOS. Lowest common denominator is a fantastic thing to brag about. 

The PC does get the cutting edge graphics. (And P.S. I tend to pay more than 1k for a PC.)
But it could also be so much more, there is no irony in that.

And calling PC gamers dumb and clueless? Holy crap, I have been banned for saying less than that.

ROFLOL! Are you one of those guys who pays 2K for a cutting edge PC that will only cost $800 with similar specs two years down the road? 

I wasn't calling all PC gamers dumb and clueless. I was pointing out that if you tally up all the people who game on PC, you will get far more casuals, than you will on any other platform. You will get Soccer moms who play solitare, people who play facebook farm sims, etc. 



darkenergy said:
deskpro2k3 said:

what he said about dropping deadweight, and streamlining the gaming division, "Everything will be unified at some point" to me

@bold 

^^^This, you are only assuming.

 

I'm going to assume that you didn't read the article.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Pemalite said:

The PC does get the cutting edge graphics. (And P.S. I tend to pay more than 1k for a PC.)
But it could also be so much more, there is no irony in that.

And calling PC gamers dumb and clueless? Holy crap, I have been banned for saying less than that.

ROFLOL! Are you one of those guys who pays 2K for a cutting edge PC that will only cost $800 with similar specs two years down the road? 

I wasn't calling all PC gamers dumb and clueless. I was pointing out that if you tally up all the people who game on PC, you will get far more casuals, than you will on any other platform. You will get Soccer moms who play solitare, people who play facebook farm sims, etc. 

I wish I could only spend 2k on a PC. But I tend to spend that on GPU's alone, if not more.

The "Soccer Moms" who only play solitaire are not counted in the 180~ million or so Steam statistics, the PC is the largest platform with the most gamers and games outside of Mobile.



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Pemalite said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

ROFLOL! Are you one of those guys who pays 2K for a cutting edge PC that will only cost $800 with similar specs two years down the road? 

I wasn't calling all PC gamers dumb and clueless. I was pointing out that if you tally up all the people who game on PC, you will get far more casuals, than you will on any other platform. You will get Soccer moms who play solitare, people who play facebook farm sims, etc. 

I wish I could only spend 2k on a PC. But I tend to spend that on GPU's alone, if not more.

The "Soccer Moms" who only play solitaire are not counted in the 180~ million or so Steam statistics, the PC is the largest platform with the most gamers and games outside of Mobile.

That is a hilariously huge waste of money. 

What is your source for that 180 million number? Anybody with a potato of a computer, and three dollars can suddenly become an "active" steam member. How many of those supposid 180 million actually drop real money on games? 





Cerebralbore101 said:
Pemalite said:

I wish I could only spend 2k on a PC. But I tend to spend that on GPU's alone, if not more.

The "Soccer Moms" who only play solitaire are not counted in the 180~ million or so Steam statistics, the PC is the largest platform with the most gamers and games outside of Mobile.

That is a hilariously huge waste of money. 

What is your source for that 180 million number? Anybody with a potato of a computer, and three dollars can suddenly become an "active" steam member. How many of those supposid 180 million actually drop real money on games? 



What I do with my money is not only not your concern, it's also none of your business. - But I do more than just play games.

As for the rest, why don't you look at the Steam statistics for yourself? Everything is in black and white for you to form your own opinion. (Which you seem to have already made without looking at it anyway.)



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