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hunter_alien said:
Soundwave said:

Hilary is not easy to beat. Obama, who is probably the most charismatic politican the world has seen in 20-30 years *barely* beat her in the primaries in 2008 (in fact she beat him on the popular vote) and has said that primary was his hardest election to win (not the presidency). Clinton runs a very disciplined campaign, and like her or not, she does have a very large base of support. Her supporters just don't post on Facebook 393848489 times a day like Bernie supporters do, but they're definitely there.  

If Trump ever thought this was going to be easy, he was very badly mistaken. 

There is no arguing that. But in all honesty I do find it strange that she still managed to get herself out of every mess she was in without a scratch. The DNC leaks pretty much prooved that she was the favoirite candidate. I am not supporting anyone (why should I, I am not living in the US) but every sign point towards dirty play from her part.

I'm sorry, but i don't follow this logic. So, she was aquitted of every suspicion, therefore she must be corrupt? If she hadn't she would be corrupt. So, howcome theres only one possible outcome no matter what she does?

Some people here call her criminal. She is investigated by the FBI and nothing turns up. Sorry to say but this is lunacy. If theres a case against this woman please take your proof to the FBI. If not, stop making up wild accusations.



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Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

And that's a problem.  Because when people were telling Bill Clinton to continue deregulating the commodities markets, he went along with it, while some others (admittedly few) realized the potential danger.

That's why I was such a strong proponent of Bernie.  He saw all of these issues ahead of time, and was on the right side of history nearly every time.  The people (with some help from the democratic party) fucked up big by not nominating him.

I like Bernie Sanders a lot and he was very correct on deregulation. 

That said his tax proposals scare me, a lot of his proposals would send the country into monster debt. 

I dunno if the laffer curve has been debunked or not, but it does make some intuitive sense. You can certainly over tax and thereby damage the economy and take in less tax. But the trouble with all the low tax champions is they don't recognise that the Laffer curve also shows that you can undertax and cause problems too, which inevitably leads to govt debt because their tax revenues can't cover expenses and debts.

End of the day the US govt needs to increase tax revenues as well as manage spending in order to manage the debt. The govt debt is so high and the spending on just those things that the right wants the govt to spend money on (law and order, the war on drugs (ugh), defense, agricultural subsidies etc) that it's not actually possible to be fiscially responsible without rasing taxes. And in many cases  a lot of people on the policital right believe the govt should spend money on social stuff, like education, but the delivery should be in private hands. Complaining about taxes is like complaining about belonging to a golf club and having to pay the annual membership fee. 



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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JWeinCom said:
JRPGfan said:

I think all those things are a plus.

how is being "for gay marriage" a bad thing? or Raiseing minimum wages? those are great things. Helps the weakest in society, and gives rights to gays.

So is being against the patriot act (which is constantly abused by those in power), and TPP isnt going to help anyone.

I think you misinterpreted me.

I support (most) of those things.  My issue with Hillary isn't that she didn't support them, but that she didn't support them soon enough.

Bernie for instance spoke out against the Iraq war before it happened, for gay marraige before it was popular, and for raising the minimum wage.

Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War, supported the defense of marraige act, and had nothing to say on minimum wage.  She only supported those things after the rest of the party started supporting them.  

So while it's good she supported them, it seems she did so more because she wanted votes than because she actually supports them.  I'd rather have a candidate who is forward thinking and does the right thing before it's the popular thing.

So, another post i don't understand.

So, you blame her because she changed her opinions to better ones? I'm not saying anything about Bernie, but stubburnly holding on to skewed perspectives is the sign of ignorance. Having the clairvoyance to admit you were wrong is a sign of intelligence. 

I really can't see where she is in the wrong here. She would be a worse candidate if she was holding on to those socially outdated positions.



Nem said:
hunter_alien said:

There is no arguing that. But in all honesty I do find it strange that she still managed to get herself out of every mess she was in without a scratch. The DNC leaks pretty much prooved that she was the favoirite candidate. I am not supporting anyone (why should I, I am not living in the US) but every sign point towards dirty play from her part.

I'm sorry, but i don't follow this logic. So, she was aquitted of every suspicion, therefore she must be corrupt? If she hadn't she would be corrupt. So, howcome theres only one possible outcome no matter what she does?

Some people here call her criminal. She is investigated by the FBI and nothing turns up. Sorry to say but this is lunacy. If theres a case against this woman please take your proof to the FBI. If not, stop making up wild accusations.

money and power of influence can make people change their minds,FBI included. Our entire system from head to toe ias corrupt.

 

You got the republicans and trump telling lies through their teeth about hillary and democrats

 

you got democrats lying through their teeth about trump and republicans

 

neither side is really on our side at the end of the day



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Nem said:

I'm sorry, but i don't follow this logic. So, she was aquitted of every suspicion, therefore she must be corrupt? If she hadn't she would be corrupt. So, howcome theres only one possible outcome no matter what she does?

Some people here call her criminal. She is investigated by the FBI and nothing turns up. Sorry to say but this is lunacy. If theres a case against this woman please take your proof to the FBI. If not, stop making up wild accusations.

money and power of influence can make people change their minds,FBI included. Our entire system from head to toe ias corrupt.

 

You got the republicans and trump telling lies through their teeth about hillary and democrats

 

you got democrats lying through their teeth about trump and republicans

 

neither side is really on our side at the end of the day

Surely if that was the case things would wash up to the shore and the media would be all over it. 

As for each party trying to discredit the other, thats politics 101. It's not an american thing. 

Neither one beeing on your side i don't know. I hear theres a third candidate. Vote for him if thats what you think. It's probably the best vote of protest you can do. When those parties see a third force gaining power they will understand they are doing it wrong. The bi-party system you got going is definitly a big problem. You need more choices.



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Nem said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

money and power of influence can make people change their minds,FBI included. Our entire system from head to toe ias corrupt.

 

You got the republicans and trump telling lies through their teeth about hillary and democrats

 

you got democrats lying through their teeth about trump and republicans

 

neither side is really on our side at the end of the day

Surely if that was the case things would wash up to the shore and the media would be all over it. 

As for each party trying to discredit the other, thats politics 101. It's not an american thing. 

Neither one beeing on your side i don't know. I hear theres a third candidate. Vote for him if thats what you think. It's probably the best vote of protest you can do. When those parties see a third force gaining power they will understand they are doing it wrong. The bi-party system you got going is definitly a big problem. You need more choices.

I think you underestimate the power of corruption, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one 



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Nem said:

Surely if that was the case things would wash up to the shore and the media would be all over it. 

As for each party trying to discredit the other, thats politics 101. It's not an american thing. 

Neither one beeing on your side i don't know. I hear theres a third candidate. Vote for him if thats what you think. It's probably the best vote of protest you can do. When those parties see a third force gaining power they will understand they are doing it wrong. The bi-party system you got going is definitly a big problem. You need more choices.

I think you underestimate the power of corruption, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one 

If thats the case, all i can say is that your vote is your weapon. Use it wisely.



Nem said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

I think you underestimate the power of corruption, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one 

If thats the case, all i can say is that your vote is your weapon. Use it wisely.

Oh I all ready know who I'm voting for. But like I've stated in previous posts. I'm not entirely sure it will even take place in Nov at this point o.o



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Nem said:
JWeinCom said:

I think you misinterpreted me.

I support (most) of those things.  My issue with Hillary isn't that she didn't support them, but that she didn't support them soon enough.

Bernie for instance spoke out against the Iraq war before it happened, for gay marraige before it was popular, and for raising the minimum wage.

Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War, supported the defense of marraige act, and had nothing to say on minimum wage.  She only supported those things after the rest of the party started supporting them.  

So while it's good she supported them, it seems she did so more because she wanted votes than because she actually supports them.  I'd rather have a candidate who is forward thinking and does the right thing before it's the popular thing.

So, another post i don't understand.

So, you blame her because she changed her opinions to better ones? I'm not saying anything about Bernie, but stubburnly holding on to skewed perspectives is the sign of ignorance. Having the clairvoyance to admit you were wrong is a sign of intelligence. 

I really can't see where she is in the wrong here. She would be a worse candidate if she was holding on to those socially outdated positions.

She would indeed be a worse candidate if she was still holding on to those outdated positions.  She would be a better candidate if she never held them in the first place.

Good for her for finally supporting gay marraige, but it would have been far better if she supported it in 1992, when she had the ear of the president.

It's fine that she recognizes the Iraq war was a bad idea.  It would hae been far better if she realized it before voting for it.  

 

The old saying is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  I certainly want someone who admits when they make a mistake.  More importantly though, I want someone who won't make many mistakes to begin with.



Trump shows signs of Narcissism which can affect his grasp of reality

Signs of Narcissism according to Psychologists

1. Only thinks about or talks about himself
2. Craves attention and admiration from others
3. Believes he’s special and above everyone else
4. Exaggerates his abilities and achievements
5. Experiences fast, severe mood swings
6. Sets unrealistic goals that can’t be accomplished
7. Strives to win at all costs
8. Doesn’t consider other people’s feelings
9. Fantasizes about success, power and money