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Mystro-Sama said:
Are these people kept for a period of time until things get better in their country or are they granted citizenship?

They are kept temporarely until they can go safely back to the country.



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OdinHades said:

I'm with Merkel on this one. Damn right the refugees come with problems. It costs a ton of money, it asks for a lot from german citizens and it will continue to bring problems for decades to come. But I for once do not want to be remembered by future generations as an asshole who doesn't care about other people. The sacrifices we have to make are little in the big picture. All day long people here are yelling about how they would love to help people who live under bad conditions but they are just not able to. Then they pay their 5 € a month to save the children and feel like a better human. Now, right now, when they actually have the chance to do something, they do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Instead, they want people out of their country, they are afraid they couldn't be as rich as they are tomorrow and whatnot. Nationalism on the rise because of fear and hate. It makes me sick.

Ok, that's just some people, I also know many guys and lads who are doing everything they can. We are helping out in a local refugee camp. We don't get paid, we do it just to help these people. There are 12 families here form Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. All good people, my son loves to play with the other children. We help them maintain their houses, explain them how everything works in germany (the waste seperation is a real problem for them ^^), we translate their documents and really do all we can to help them integrate. But then we also get up in the middle of the night to fight some goddamn nazis who are throwing rocks at the camp for no reason at all. They don't know these people, they just hate them for no reason at all. It makes me so fucking sick.

Anyway, people are fast with prejudices. Of course there are bound to be some assholes in such a big refugee crisis, but I am absolutely convinced that the majority really needs help. Countless refugees told me how they didn't want to leave their country but they had no choice. They are also not uneducated as you hear it from certain groups. In our refugee camps, there is a high school teacher, a doctor and even a physics professor! All they need to do is learn our language and they could help our economy in a great way. Germany is dying for educated workers for crying out loud!

I beg you, if you want to make any judge in this topic, first go out there and really deal with what's up. Talk to the people, see for yourself how "bad" they really are. Don't just jump to conclusions because of overdramatized stories in the news. Don't judge a whole group if people just because two or three assholes decided to go postal. It's not fair in any way.

These people have nowhere else to go. It's not our duty to help them, but it is a big fat giant test of history. Think very closely about how you and your generation should be remembered in future history books. That's all I have to say.

Thank God for people like you.

As a christian I'm truly ashamed of my fellow Christians. In my country a bishop said we should only help Christian refeugees. I mean, seriously...

Good to see some good is left in this world.



Peh said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Are these people kept for a period of time until things get better in their country or are they granted citizenship?

They are kept temporarely until they can go safely back to the country.

OdinHades said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Are these people kept for a period of time until things get better in their country or are they granted citizenship?

They are asking for asylum, but the process takes very much time. One fellow here is waiting since 9 months just to get interviewed. If they are granted asylum, they may stay in germany and work here. If not, they have to leave. Right now many many people here are just waiting and have nothing to do all day. They aren't allowed to work and they only get 25 € a week to live.

Oh that doesn't sound so bad, that is if the EU has a plan to deal with this situation permanently. That 9 month wait sounds ridiculous though. How is their interaction with the locals?



Merkel doesnt change her policy, because she wants that crisis and she wants the Europe Union do shatter.



Mystro-Sama said:
Peh said:

They are kept temporarely until they can go safely back to the country.

OdinHades said:

They are asking for asylum, but the process takes very much time. One fellow here is waiting since 9 months just to get interviewed. If they are granted asylum, they may stay in germany and work here. If not, they have to leave. Right now many many people here are just waiting and have nothing to do all day. They aren't allowed to work and they only get 25 € a week to live.

Oh that doesn't sound so bad, that is if the EU has a plan to deal with this situation permanently. That 9 month wait sounds ridiculous though. How is their interaction with the locals?

The 9 month wait is what is the biggest problem in this entire refugee crisis. It completely ruins integration. Anyone that don't have a job for 9 months are unlikely to get back into the workforce without some serious help, regardless of their nationality. And it's not like these people have anything against working - they aren't allowed to! And getting a job is crucial for integration, because your workplace is your most important social arena, and it will drastically increase the speed of which a refugee will he able to learn the language and culture.

 

Like I said, anyone will struggle in getting badk into the workforce after being unemployed for a longer period if time. The stats prove this. Which makes it all the more ridiculous how so many governments ignore this issue. Treatment times for asylum applications need to be drastically reduced. It will cost money, but it will pay off exponentially in long term effects from higher employment amongst refugees.



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Teeqoz said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Oh that doesn't sound so bad, that is if the EU has a plan to deal with this situation permanently. That 9 month wait sounds ridiculous though. How is their interaction with the locals?

The 9 month wait is what is the biggest problem in this entire refugee crisis. It completely ruins integration. Anyone that don't have a job for 9 months are unlikely to get back into the workforce without some serious help, regardless of their nationality. And it's not like these people have anything against working - they aren't allowed to! And getting a job is crucial for integration, because your workplace is your most important social arena, and it will drastically increase the speed of which a refugee will he able to learn the language and culture.

 

Like I said, anyone will struggle in getting badk into the workforce after being unemployed for a longer period if time. The stats prove this. Which makes it all the more ridiculous how so many governments ignore this issue. Treatment times for asylum applications need to be drastically reduced. It will cost money, but it will pay off exponentially in long term effects from higher employment amongst refugees.

I guess the issue is the amount of refugees and the backround checks which have to be done. Those take time. When I want to announce a change of my address I have to wait 2 month for an appointment. That's bureaucracy for you :(

I don't know about the immigration programm. Probably they can take classes during the waiting time to learn the language and rules. I'm not sure about that.

But, it is a risk to get these people into work which you don't know anything about.



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Close the fucking borders, Merkel.

People act like taking in refugees is the only way you can help them, newsflash, it's not.

Give money to the poor neighboring countries and ask them to take them in, they speak their languages, they share the same religions.

Saudi Arabia, that's investing heavily in destroying Syrian lands, should take them, they have the lands, the water, the money and everything the refugees might need.

Btw, you should know that the numbers cited above are mainly Syrians who were in Saudi Arabia before the war broke out, some of them are allowed to bring in their wives and close families members. Those who don't have first-degree relatives there are denied entrance, even if it's the Syrian finds a job and signed a contract, he isn't allowed entrance.



OdinHades said:

I'm with Merkel on this one. Damn right the refugees come with problems. It costs a ton of money, it asks for a lot from german citizens and it will continue to bring problems for decades to come. But I for once do not want to be remembered by future generations as an asshole who doesn't care about other people. 

You can care for other people even if you don't allow them in. It's nice what you do for the helpless, hats off to you sir, but just don't call others assholes for looking after their lives and their country first. They can still help these refugees if the neighbouring Arabic and Islamic countries took them in, and if they don't help, it's not a big deal, the world is filled with tragedies everywhere. 



Teeqoz said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Oh that doesn't sound so bad, that is if the EU has a plan to deal with this situation permanently. That 9 month wait sounds ridiculous though. How is their interaction with the locals?

The 9 month wait is what is the biggest problem in this entire refugee crisis. It completely ruins integration. Anyone that don't have a job for 9 months are unlikely to get back into the workforce without some serious help, regardless of their nationality. And it's not like these people have anything against working - they aren't allowed to! And getting a job is crucial for integration, because your workplace is your most important social arena, and it will drastically increase the speed of which a refugee will he able to learn the language and culture.

 

Like I said, anyone will struggle in getting badk into the workforce after being unemployed for a longer period if time. The stats prove this. Which makes it all the more ridiculous how so many governments ignore this issue. Treatment times for asylum applications need to be drastically reduced. It will cost money, but it will pay off exponentially in long term effects from higher employment amongst refugees.

Ugh, how do you want them to get work done if they are too "fresh"? They have to learn the language first, every employer everywhere demands the applicants to speak the language that's dominant in the work environment. 

You won't have such issues if god forbids, the rich Arabic countries that invest heavily in the destruction of Syria, take these refugees instead. Foreigners make up more than 30% of Saudi Arabia population, 10 millions, all them are there to work in the private sector because the private sector doesn't prefer unfit and lazy local workers. Saudi Arabia doesn't even allow the private sector to bring in Syrian professionals anymore, and yet, Europe is demanded to do more towards people who need a lot of time before being a productive part of the society. Certainly a lot more time than they would've needed in Saudi and Qatar.



Merkels lets in another million or so.
Germany gets major terror attacks once a week or more for months on end.
The German people demand the govt "do something" about the attacks.
Merkel increases state power, martial law, new laws strengthening control, increases taxes to pay for it
All part of the plan.To increase Merkels power and the power of the Govt.