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The fume on Corbyn is genuinely hilarious.



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Corbyn would be a great leader if he wasn't so naive. Doesn't really matter at this point though, UK is going to be spiralling downwards, i'm making sure to keep my Swiss passport renewed.



Why should the labour party be unellectable now because a socialist is the new leader? wasnt your country who voted for brexit?



MikeRox said:
Scoobes said:

. The labour membership only make up a very small percentage of the electorate meaning labour are going to remain pretty irrelevant for the forseeable future. 

You know. This pretty much is the white elephant in the  room with Corbyn argument.

People confusing labour grassroots supporters as being the same as people who vote labour in a general election.

Labour's grassroots might well be very socialist. But as soon as you widen that to the broader electorate, I just don't see how his ideas and policies have any chance of getting labour elected.

The whole unelectability debate is a sham.

Tell me, how on earth will anyone ever again sell a New Labour candidate to British populace? If the Conservatives keep up their cuts and anti-social measures, people WILL vote for a consistant socialist.



WolfpackN64 said:
MikeRox said:

You know. This pretty much is the white elephant in the  room with Corbyn argument.

People confusing labour grassroots supporters as being the same as people who vote labour in a general election.

Labour's grassroots might well be very socialist. But as soon as you widen that to the broader electorate, I just don't see how his ideas and policies have any chance of getting labour elected.

The whole unelectability debate is a sham.

Tell me, how on earth will anyone ever again sell a New Labour candidate to British populace? If the Conservatives keep up their cuts and anti-social measures, people WILL vote for a consistant socialist.

 

Well time will tell.

Tories are already distancing themselves from Osbornomics though. Theresa May has launched a siege on traditional labour territory. All I see personally is labour's appeal shrinking.

The SNP stole it in Scotland, and the Tories are moving in, in England.



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Corbyn Dallas, total fool and will drive labour into the ground. I was going to say his policies are rubbish, but he really doesn't have any. If he gets elected in September then I'm afraid theres no way Labour have any chance against the tories.

I'm actually liking May at the moment, I would have voted for the disaster that is Cameron to prevent Corbyn getting in, he's really that bad. The new labour guy going against him looks ok, he may be able to salvage something (Eagle had no chance of being elected Prime Minister, she was so weak).

As for the old, Austerity argument, its getting old hat, Labour spent all the money (even left a note to say there was none left, very mature of them), then are complaining that the tories are having to slash budgets, in the time of a major worldwide recession, when we already have massive debt. No one in the right mind thinks spending lots more money when in debt is a good idea except maybe Greece and we know what state they are in.

Corbyn needs to go, if the labour supporters keep him in, then I'm afraid they've made their own bed.... they can live with that disaster for the next 5 years.



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MikeRox said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The whole unelectability debate is a sham.

Tell me, how on earth will anyone ever again sell a New Labour candidate to British populace? If the Conservatives keep up their cuts and anti-social measures, people WILL vote for a consistant socialist.

 

Well time will tell.

Tories are already distancing themselves from Osbornomics though. Theresa May has launched a siege on traditional labour territory. All I see personally is labour's appeal shrinking.

The SNP stole it in Scotland, and the Tories are moving in, in England.

A siege on Labour territory? Cameron was already "conservatism with a human face". May abandoned the Osbornomics because the Conservatives will have a hard time explaining a recession AND cuts to the populace. She scaled the cuts down, but I don't see May doing anything really social unless there are severe strings attached. The only thing keeping Labour from getting to power in the next elections is Labour itself.



Madword said:
Corbyn Dallas, total fool and will drive labour into the ground. I was going to say his policies are rubbish, but he really doesn't have any. If he gets elected in September then I'm afraid theres no way Labour have any chance against the tories.

I'm actually liking May at the moment, I would have voted for the disaster that is Cameron to prevent Corbyn getting in, he's really that bad. The new labour guy going against him looks ok, he may be able to salvage something (Eagle had no chance of being elected Prime Minister, she was so weak).

As for the old, Austerity argument, its getting old hat, Labour spent all the money (even left a note to say there was none left, very mature of them), then are complaining that the tories are having to slash budgets, in the time of a major worldwide recession, when we already have massive debt. No one in the right mind thinks spending lots more money when in debt is a good idea except maybe Greece and we know what state they are in.

Corbyn needs to go, if the labour supporters keep him in, then I'm afraid they've made their own bed.... they can live with that disaster for the next 5 years.

That's a lot of talk for something that isn't based on anything factual.



WolfpackN64 said:
MikeRox said:

You know. This pretty much is the white elephant in the  room with Corbyn argument.

People confusing labour grassroots supporters as being the same as people who vote labour in a general election.

Labour's grassroots might well be very socialist. But as soon as you widen that to the broader electorate, I just don't see how his ideas and policies have any chance of getting labour elected.

The whole unelectability debate is a sham.

Tell me, how on earth will anyone ever again sell a New Labour candidate to British populace? If the Conservatives keep up their cuts and anti-social measures, people WILL vote for a consistant socialist.

That may be the case but that requires a competent politician and leader. One who can actually get some policies together in a timely manner, who has the respect of his colleagues instead of isolating them and isn't just good at riling up a small grassroots movement. All Corbyn has done is opposed Tory austerity without fleshing out and explaining his alternatives. His performance during the referendum campaign was dire, effectively separating himself from most of his Labour colleagues even when they were on the same side. 

Sure, a more socialist politician may be electable, but it's not Corbyn. 



WolfpackN64 said:
Madword said:
Corbyn Dallas, total fool and will drive labour into the ground. I was going to say his policies are rubbish, but he really doesn't have any. If he gets elected in September then I'm afraid theres no way Labour have any chance against the tories.

I'm actually liking May at the moment, I would have voted for the disaster that is Cameron to prevent Corbyn getting in, he's really that bad. The new labour guy going against him looks ok, he may be able to salvage something (Eagle had no chance of being elected Prime Minister, she was so weak).

As for the old, Austerity argument, its getting old hat, Labour spent all the money (even left a note to say there was none left, very mature of them), then are complaining that the tories are having to slash budgets, in the time of a major worldwide recession, when we already have massive debt. No one in the right mind thinks spending lots more money when in debt is a good idea except maybe Greece and we know what state they are in.

Corbyn needs to go, if the labour supporters keep him in, then I'm afraid they've made their own bed.... they can live with that disaster for the next 5 years.

That's a lot of talk for something that isn't based on anything factual.

You seem very angry about the whole debate, not sure why.

I've voted for all three main parties in the past, but one thing is quite clear, Corbyn isnt very good. Thats not just me making up wild accusations, that most of the party MP's who think so. I dont think I've seen a party this messed up since Margaret Thatcher was kicked out for Major, and guess what, I dont even think she was this hated by her own party.

In terms of facts:

1. Its a fact that labour left a note for the conservatives saying there was no money left.

2. Its a fact that Corbyn isnt particularly liked, not just from all of the MPs who left his shadow cabinet, but also current polls show him and labour to be pretty much losing ground to the conservatives. I cant recall a time when so many shadow cabinet people resigned... if you can find an example in recent times when this has happened, please let me know. Even Gordon Brown and Tony Blair were not this disliked.

3. Spending more money when you are in debt is a bad idea generally. I dont think when you are talking about the level of debt that britain has, anyone could argue thats a good idea. Oh I understand the concept of infrastructure imrpovements, but generally no one believes spending lots of money when you are in debt is a good idea. If you have credit card debt of £2000, is it a good idea to go out and spend another £1000, if your job is struggling to pay off the balance?

So yeah, I think my facts are pretty good.



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