Captain_Yuri said:
NATO said:
Just do the world a favor, if you go vegan, don't spend the rest of your life telling anyone and everyone about it, nobody cares
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So true. I have a friend that is a vegan and after he switched, he was like guys, there is soo much delicious food that vegan's can eat that it's not even funny. You guys are really missing out! Seriously!
And I am always like... Did you know that I can not only eat the shit you are eating but also this juicy steak? At the same time? Zomg right?
Seriously, Vegans are so damn annoying that it's not even funny.
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This is an interesting element of the discussion. You realize that if someone is vegan and never tells you, that you probably won't realize they're vegan? People who say all vegans are annoying seem to fail to realize that it's a self-reinforcing argument. I know a guy who's been vegan for years, and I've been vegan for about 1.5 years, and he and I only discovered a few weeks ago that each other is vegan! Neither he, nor I, go around telling everyone we're vegan, therefore we didn't know the other was vegan despite us both being vegan for years!
That said I get it. Most people are lied to about animal agriculture from birth. We're told that eating animal products is necessary. It's definitely not necessary, and in fact the preponderance of evidence suggests it's not even ideal to do so (the most plant-based populations around the world are the healthiest, the longest living, and the most vibrant in old age). So when someone discovers that they've been lied to their whole lives, there's often a strong desire to share that fact with others who have also been lied to and probably don't realize it.
Is it any different than console gamers being excited about their system of choice? I was in a store years ago trying to buy an Xbox One, and a staff member stopped me and took the time to tell me that I should be getting a Playstation 4 instead as it was "way better". I hadn't asked for his opinion, and he wasn't the staff member even helping me! He chose to interrupt me in an effort to educate me about what my preferred choice of game console ought to be. But I was going to plug it into a TV as a media box for movies and TV shows that I had already purchased on Xbox Video, and also wanted to use it to control the TV, and I'm also a big fan of Halo/Gears of War/Forza Horizon, so, no, the PS4 was not objectively "way better" for my purposes. Was his enthusiasm for the PS4 any different than the vegan you speak of sharing his excitement with how awesome vegan food can be, though?
You're right of course that an omnivore can eat vegan food as well as non-vegan food. I think your friend's comment may have been inspired by the fact that many omnivores believe that vegan food is boring/less appetizing (and you can see evidence of this in many of the comments in this thread). Many people believe this themselves before going vegan, and then subsequently have their minds blown when they discover it's not necessarily true. So there's an element of wanting to share it because they were themselves surprised, and wished they'd known that beforehand.
For what it's worth, as a former omnivore, I don't see the ability to eat both vegan and non-vegan food as much of a benefit, given I'm far healthier and happier as a vegan. I was a reasonably healthy omnivore, but I'm an even healthier vegan (with the bloodwork to prove it). Some vegans miss some things they used to eat, others don't (especially as the options continue to improve, meat alternatives become more realistic, etc.).
But yes, I do tend to keep it to myself unless invited to talk about it. One of the things that "angry omnivores" don't get is that by cracking jokes and making other comments, they're actually bringing the topic up themselves. Then they often go on to complain about the vegan's comments when it was the omnivore's comments that actually made it an issue in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, someone who is cracking a joke about my diet is inviting me to comment on my diet, and anything is fair game at that point. :)
Finally, at times it can be very hard to *not* acknowledge that you're vegan. I've had experiences where I've been offered something, declined it without saying I was vegan, only to have someone follow up with a bunch of questions about why I was declining it. Sometimes I feel that it's important that I acknowledge I'm vegan because otherwise this person is going to periodically offer me things, and I'm going to say no every time, and that's a mutual inconvenience that could be avoided simply by me explaining to them that I will always say no, and why I will always say no, when offered that particular thing. Other times I find myself compelled to explain that I'm vegan when someone tries to add something to my food (such as at a restaurant, or a public event where food is being dished up). Then there are the situations where you have to explain what being vegan is to someone who is offering you food, as you have to find out what's in it and they ask you why you're asking. Let's not even get started about people who already know you're vegan, but are then shocked when you won't eat goat's cheese, or something they don't think of as an animal product for some weird reason (even though it obviously is). So there are times where it can be very challenging to fail to acknowledge that you're vegan. :)
Yes there are some "angry vegans" out there who are angry at being lied to by society since they were children, who are angry at the mistruths and outright lies pedalled by the vested interests in animal agriculture, etc. These people are likely going to try to find a way to tell you that they're vegan, no question. But there are far more "angry omnivores" who take every opportunity they can get to ridicule people for making veg-positive choices, and we've seen many examples of "angry omnivores" in this thread who seem to feel that they have something to prove. With the vegan movement growing hugely every year, the odds of your co-workers or other people you know being vegan and you not knowing it increases, as the only people who're obviously vegan are the ones who're vocal about it, not the ones who choose to be quiet about it. Like I say, the attitude that all vegans are vocal about it is a self-reinforcing falsehood, since by definition it's hard to know someone is vegan if they don't tell you.