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Does Nintendo care about their core fans ?

Hulk Hogan voice ( Ohhhhh Yeahhhhhh ) 87 32.22%
 
Hell to the NO 121 44.81%
 
Well to be fair, The Wii ... 62 22.96%
 
Total:270
zorg1000 on 17 June 2016
naruball said:
maxleresistant said:

and people, stop saying fans don't care and still buy the consoles/games.

Are we on VGchartz or what? those 3DS/WiiU sales are not great.

And when the rumors comes, eveybody Nintendo fans is like "yeah, it's going to have more power than a PS4, it's going to kick ass" and when someone say "well those Nintendo consoles have shit specs", they're like "specs don't matter". Let's be true to ourselves, specs matters, they always mattered, they mattered for the Wii and DS too, they had different specs, 2 screens with one touch screen? A motion sensored controller? All those were cutting edge.

Now again, not saying the NX should be a powerhouse like a Scorpio, that would be stupid. Nintendo needs to stay cheap, that 250$ 3DS and 350$ WiiU idea, wasn't a great one. But well it's not hard to make a 300 $ console with the same specs as a One and a nice gimmick for miyamoto and the casuals to be happy. Just don't put EVERYTHING on the gimmick like the way overpriced gamepad that was barely used, or the 3D of 3DS that was well, turned off by evrybody

So, let's do it

Impossible. The narrative will keep changing no matter what.

Makes you wonder, though. If graphics don't matter why not just keep releasing games for wiiu?

Of course graphics matter. Sales show it. People getting excited over graphics in various (NInty) threads show it (see "wow, look at Mario Galaxy running in x emulator").

No need to pretend around here. I mean it's fine to accept your favourite company's business model (I accepted Sony's approach with vita), but acting like you don't care? Come on now.

I think you are misinterpreting what people mean when they say graphics dont matter. They arent saying that graphics should never move forward or that power shouldnt increase, rather they are saying that having the most cutting edge or most graphically intense games are not a requirement for making high quality or visually appealing games.

Despite Wii being significantly weaker than PS3/360, Nintendo and others were able to release great & beautiful games, same goes for Wii U despite being much weaker than PS4/XBO.

Despite not being in a spec battle with Sony/MS, Nintendo still had a huge performance boost from Wii to Wii U and we will likely see a similar upgrade from Wii U to NX.



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KLXVER on 17 June 2016
avais1993 said:
KLXVER said:

That may be true, but why didnt the WiiU get the later 360 and PS3 games?

Because of hassle of having to intergrate the gamepad and i'm not too sure how different the architecture is of the WiiU but that could also be a reason. 

I strongly feel that if Nintendo went with the same architecture as PS4 and Xbox one, and pumped up the power a little bit and didn't provide a gimmick it would also pull more third party support. People might cite the gamecube but that was because of the disc's they were using that didn't provide enough storage and also had a really small install base. 

I dont think thats what stopping third party developers. Few of them make use of the DS4 touchpad or Kinect, but they still put their games on the consoles. I think its because their games usually dont sell as well on Nintendo platforms. Making it easier and cheaper to port their games might make things a little better, but Im not sure how much.



tak13 on 17 June 2016
zorg1000 said:
naruball said:

Impossible. The narrative will keep changing no matter what.

Makes you wonder, though. If graphics don't matter why not just keep releasing games for wiiu?

Of course graphics matter. Sales show it. People getting excited over graphics in various (NInty) threads show it (see "wow, look at Mario Galaxy running in x emulator").

No need to pretend around here. I mean it's fine to accept your favourite company's business model (I accepted Sony's approach with vita), but acting like you don't care? Come on now.

I think you are misinterpreting what people mean when they say graphics dont matter. They arent saying that graphics should never move forward or that power shouldnt increase, rather they are saying that having the most cutting edge or most graphically intense games are not a requirement for making high quality or visually appealing games.

Despite Wii being significantly weaker than PS3/360, Nintendo and others were able to release great & beautiful games, same goes for Wii U despite being much weaker than PS4/XBO.

Despite not being in a spec battle with Sony/MS, Nintendo still had a huge performance boost from Wii to Wii U and we will likely see a similar upgrade from Wii U to NX.

Unless is GC to WII...

Wii u without a tablet controller and dvd rom, would cost  130-150$ less! So NX could be a somewhat better wii u with normal controller or a cheap gimmick like motion controller was and a card slot instead of an optical drive, and here 199$ price is and easily cheaper later, without making any loss and still produce decent profit! :P:)



zorg1000 on 17 June 2016
avais1993 said:

People might cite the gamecube but that was because of the disc's they were using that didn't provide enough storage and also had a really small install base. 

yet somehow this didnt stop 3rd parties from supporting 360 which used DVDs compared to PS3 which used Blu-Ray.

I agree that having smaller disc space was a factor but Gamecube actually had pretty strong 3rd party support while costing $99 for much of its life and still didnt sell well so that leads me to believe a strategy that focuses on getting the same games that are on other platforms is a dead end route.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 on 17 June 2016
tak13 said:
zorg1000 said:

I think you are misinterpreting what people mean when they say graphics dont matter. They arent saying that graphics should never move forward or that power shouldnt increase, rather they are saying that having the most cutting edge or most graphically intense games are not a requirement for making high quality or visually appealing games.

Despite Wii being significantly weaker than PS3/360, Nintendo and others were able to release great & beautiful games, same goes for Wii U despite being much weaker than PS4/XBO.

Despite not being in a spec battle with Sony/MS, Nintendo still had a huge performance boost from Wii to Wii U and we will likely see a similar upgrade from Wii U to NX.

Unless is GC to WII...

Wii u without a tablet controller and dvd rom, would cost  130-150$ less! So NX could be a somewhat better wii u with normal controller or a cheap gimmick like motion controller was and a card slot instead of an optical drive, and here 199$ price is and easily cheaper later, without making any loss and still produce decent profit! :P:)

Price has certainly been a factor but simply releasing a cheaper Wii U wont help much if the software output and marketing/advertising are still poor.



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tak13 on 17 June 2016
zorg1000 said:
tak13 said:

Unless is GC to WII...

Wii u without a tablet controller and dvd rom, would cost  130-150$ less! So NX could be a somewhat better wii u with normal controller or a cheap gimmick like motion controller was and a card slot instead of an optical drive, and here 199$ price is and easily cheaper later, without making any loss and still produce decent profit! :P:)

Price has certainly been a factor but simply releasing a cheaper Wii U wont help much if the software output and marketing/advertising are still poor.

I didn't mention anything like this! :) I just supplemented your comment, because you cited only the case of wii-> wii u which was a big leap. but there was the GC-> wii before, which was a small one!  :)



Nintation360 on 17 June 2016

THATS NOT HULK HOGAN BROTHER! THIS IS HULKAMANIA! COMING AT YOU! WATCHA GONNA DO WHEN YOU GET THE WRONG WWF SUPERSTAR AND HULKAMANIA RUNS AFTER YOU?!

lol thats Macho Man who say the "oohhh  yeaaahhh"    



Jranation on 17 June 2016

Software bitches!!!!

We care about the games!!!!!



Pocky Lover Boy! 

JWeinCom on 17 June 2016
sabastian said:

1) Why does Nintendo continue to release inferior Hardware, as compared to their competition ?

2) Why are Nintendo fans Not calling out Nintendo on their past history of low end hardware ? Past 3 generations Nintendo has had absolutely ZERO interest in releasing high end hardware.

 

Care to explain. 

Because nobody is forcing you to buy the damn thing.

Nintendo doesn't owe you or any other fan anything.  If they released a product and you enjoy it, then that's it.  End of story.  They are not bound to cater to your tastes from that point on.

If you want high end graphics, buy something else.  Simple.



curl-6 on 17 June 2016
tak13 said:
zorg1000 said:

Price has certainly been a factor but simply releasing a cheaper Wii U wont help much if the software output and marketing/advertising are still poor.

I didn't mention anything like this! :) I just supplemented your comment, because you cited only the case of wii-> wii u which was a big leap. but there was the GC-> wii before, which was a small one!  :)

Honestly I'd be fine with NX represented a Gamecube-to-Wii improvement over the Wii U graphically. Heck, Wii U graphics are already good enough for me. Games like Captain Toad, Mario Kart 8, and Bayonetta 2 look great in my eyes.

What makes me wary and currently not interested in getting an NX is that I don't want another system plagued by the lazy/unambitious software, game droughts, delays, and lack of communication with fans that soured my experience as a Wii U owner.