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sc94597 said:
Dgc1808 said:
I haven't felt at ease in a movie theater in maybe half a year. I still go regularly because I don't want to give up freedoms out of fear, but I'm always on edge for most of the film. Same goes for any crowded place really. I live in Broward County Florida and I don't own a gun nor do I plan to get one.

The chances of you dieing in a mass-shooting is smaller than winning the lottery. It just shows how influetial  the media is and how easy it is to fear-monger when people are afraid to go to movie theaters.

Here you go, 

Mass-shootings are definied as incidents were 4 or more people are shot, not killed, just shot. I don't like the idea of being shot either. Last year, America had on average more than 1 mass-shooting a day. Only the biggest are really covered on mainstream media. Incidents where just 1 or 2 people are killed aren't really covered on the mainstream media. With each high profile mass-shooting/killing we get more gun sales. This makes it even easier for guns to end up in the wrong hands due to our crappy laws that allow stuff like the "gun show loophole", which increases the rate of mass-shootings we see.

I'm not for a complete ban on all guns. I'm just for better regulation and banning certain types of weaponry. I still don't get why I can walk into a store right now and walk out with an assault rifle same day, but I have to wait 3 days if I want a pistol. I don't get why we have a list of people that we can ban from planes because they're suspected terrorist but these same people are more than welcome to buy assault weapons. 



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Dgc1808 said:
sc94597 said:

The chances of you dieing in a mass-shooting is smaller than winning the lottery. It just shows how influetial  the media is and how easy it is to fear-monger when people are afraid to go to movie theaters.

Here you go, 

Mass-shootings are definied as incidents were 4 or more people are shot, not killed, just shot. I don't like the idea of being shot either. Last year, America had on average more than 1 mass-shooting a day. Only the biggest are really covered on mainstream media. Incidents where just 1 or 2 people are killed aren't really covered on the mainstream media. With each high profile mass-shooting/killing we get more gun sales. This makes it even easier for guns to end up in the wrong hands due to our crappy laws that allow stuff like the "gun show loophole", which increases the rate of mass-shootings we see.

I'm not for a complete ban on all guns. I'm just for better regulation and banning certain types of weaponry. I still don't get why I can walk into a store right now and walk out with an assault rifle same day, but I have to wait 3 days if I want a pistol. I don't get why we have a list of people that we can ban from planes because they're suspected terrorist but these same people are more than welcome to buy assault weapons. 

And they are still only about 1.5% of shooting incidents. I'd be more worried of heart-disease, cancer, dieing in a car accident, etc than becoming a casuality in a mass-shooting to be honest. But to each their own.

By the way, assault rifles are illegal to own for the vast majority of people in the U.S, per the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, and you won't get one in a day.  I think you mean "assault weapon" which is a catch-all term for any semi-automatic weapon that looks scary. Also people shouldn't be banned from planes nor purchasing guns without due process. You see a problem, and want to make it worse. I see the problem, and think that it shouldn't exist (people being banned from travel without due process being the problem.) 



LGBT Gun Rights Group Sees Membership Spike After Orlando Shooting  (NBC News) 

"I got involved because I like to shoot and I like to share what I know with others. I found out about them from an article online, visited their website and saw that San José had an inactive chapter," Stallard said. "I thought, why not open it back up? And I just jumped in!"

"The sad reality is that members of the LGBT community are targeted for violent assaults by sadistic predators," Stallard said. "Firearms give you a fighting chance. Mace, pepper spray, stun guns and other non-injury devices are inadequate tools. To stop a violent encounter you need to seriously injure your attackers so they're incapable of attacking you."

"The intent isn't to kill. The intent is to stop," she said. "I don't shoot to kill, I shoot to stop."

"Stallard says that those who are against people of the LGBT community have an "us" and "them" mindset. She equates the violent hate to that of Nazi Germany, when Jewish people were killed based on religious discrimination. The Orlando attacks were an example of this and were no surprise to Stallard. She says after the attacks, her mission to teach self-defense to those targeted is the same.

"In the back of my mind I knew something like this could happen, but when it does happen, it's like wow," Stallard said. "Reality is that in large groups we're a target for these animals."

 

Yes, this is a solution! I plan on finally getting my concealed carry permit some time next week (which I have been putting off for a while.) My state (Pennsylvania) already has permit-less open carry, but I think carrying concealed would probably be safer in a mass-shooting event. 



sc94597 said:
Dgc1808 said:

Mass-shootings are definied as incidents were 4 or more people are shot, not killed, just shot. I don't like the idea of being shot either. Last year, America had on average more than 1 mass-shooting a day. Only the biggest are really covered on mainstream media. Incidents where just 1 or 2 people are killed aren't really covered on the mainstream media. With each high profile mass-shooting/killing we get more gun sales. This makes it even easier for guns to end up in the wrong hands due to our crappy laws that allow stuff like the "gun show loophole", which increases the rate of mass-shootings we see.

I'm not for a complete ban on all guns. I'm just for better regulation and banning certain types of weaponry. I still don't get why I can walk into a store right now and walk out with an assault rifle same day, but I have to wait 3 days if I want a pistol. I don't get why we have a list of people that we can ban from planes because they're suspected terrorist but these same people are more than welcome to buy assault weapons. 

And they are still only about 1.5% of shooting incidents. I'd be more worried of heart-disease, cancer, dieing in a car accident, etc than becoming a casuality in a mass-shooting to be honest. But to each their own.

By the way, assault rifles are illegal to own for the vast majority of people in the U.S, per the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, and you won't get one in a day.  I think you mean "assault weapon" which is a catch-all term for any semi-automatic weapon that looks scary. Also people shouldn't be banned from planes nor purchasing guns without due process. You see a problem, and want to make it worse. I see the problem, and think that it shouldn't exist (people being banned from travel without due process being the problem.) 

I pointed out the no-fly list as an example of screwed up priorities on the part of our lawmakers. 



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Dgc1808 said:
sc94597 said:

And they are still only about 1.5% of shooting incidents. I'd be more worried of heart-disease, cancer, dieing in a car accident, etc than becoming a casuality in a mass-shooting to be honest. But to each their own.

By the way, assault rifles are illegal to own for the vast majority of people in the U.S, per the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, and you won't get one in a day.  I think you mean "assault weapon" which is a catch-all term for any semi-automatic weapon that looks scary. Also people shouldn't be banned from planes nor purchasing guns without due process. You see a problem, and want to make it worse. I see the problem, and think that it shouldn't exist (people being banned from travel without due process being the problem.) 

I pointed out the no-fly list as an example of screwed up priorities on the part of our lawmakers. 

Sorry for assuming then, but the implication I (wrongfully?) perceived was that they'd expand the screw up to other areas rather than rectify it. In that case, I apoligize. 



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SuaveSocialist said:
Kane1389 said:

He hasnt said anything that hasnt already been debunked billions of times before. 

Sorry, but those charts and figures were accurate.  Second Amendment was an interesting hypothesis, only to be disproven by reality.  

So did you watch the video?



It is absurd to me that in any first world country you have to think about carrying a gun with you just because you think some nutjob might try to shoot you when you leave the house.

It's a thought process that in Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan, even China and Russia is something no one thinks about.

I don't think having dozens of drunk people with guns in nightclub is the smartest idea either. Yeah you might prevent one mass shooting, only to have double-triple the amount of people getting shot/killed because of typical bar fights only now someone is going to get shot/killed instead of just punched in the face.

I wonder how many people proposing that actually have stepped into a nightclub in the last 20 years, lol? Fights start over stupid shit in clubs all the time, one guy hits on another guy's girlfriend, some girl gets a drink spilled on her shirt, hell I've seen brawls break out just because one guy bumped into another guy and then words got exchanged. If they had guns ... that would've gotten real ugly, real quick because by about 1 AM, most people in a bar are semi-shit faced.



Kane1389 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Sorry, but those charts and figures were accurate.  Second Amendment was an interesting hypothesis, only to be disproven by reality.  

So did you watch the video?

Why would I do that?  You put a disclaimer that the video was rebutting something other than the charts and figures here.  If there's something in the video substantive to this discussion, feel free to mention it.  Otherwise it's irrelevant here.





sc94597 said:

At least some people from the left are starting to understand why alot of people buy guns in the first place. Self-protection.