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This girl is amazing. The statement she made is so thought provoking and well put together. It's powerful, reading it sparks emotion and sympathy and empathy and just so much support for her. She recognizes she made a terrible decision drinking so much, but she also realizes that this NEVER should have happened. Empowering, and she just released a second statement today saying that she remains anonymous because she is EVERY WOMAN. Seriously, she needs to be given a superhero name or something, she is encouraging so many women to come forward with their stories and she is showing that it is not ok to be ashamed because of something someone else did to you.

You deserve to be you. I would be the proudest friend, parent, brother, sister, relative, acquaintance EVER if I knew who this girl was. It's just amazing the way that she has approached this.



Oh, and just an aside, this kids father and the judge are useless human beings. He should be in jail for 10+ for this crap, he would have known better if he was not entitled and he was raised correctly.



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dongo8 said:
This girl is amazing. The statement she made is so thought provoking and well put together. It's powerful, reading it sparks emotion and sympathy and empathy and just so much support for her. She recognizes she made a terrible decision drinking so much, but she also realizes that this NEVER should have happened. Empowering, and she just released a second statement today saying that she remains anonymous because she is EVERY WOMAN. Seriously, she needs to be given a superhero name or something, she is encouraging so many women to come forward with their stories and she is showing that it is not ok to be ashamed because of something someone else did to you.

You deserve to be you. I would be the proudest friend, parent, brother, sister, relative, acquaintance EVER if I knew who this girl was. It's just amazing the way that she has approached this.



Oh, and just an aside, this kids father and the judge are useless human beings. He should be in jail for 10+ for this crap, he would have known better if he was not entitled and he was raised correctly.

I couldn't have said it better.

And her statements couldn't have been better written.



dongo8 said:
This girl is amazing. The statement she made is so thought provoking and well put together. It's powerful, reading it sparks emotion and sympathy and empathy and just so much support for her. She recognizes she made a terrible decision drinking so much, but she also realizes that this NEVER should have happened. Empowering, and she just released a second statement today saying that she remains anonymous because she is EVERY WOMAN. Seriously, she needs to be given a superhero name or something, she is encouraging so many women to come forward with their stories and she is showing that it is not ok to be ashamed because of something someone else did to you.

You deserve to be you. I would be the proudest friend, parent, brother, sister, relative, acquaintance EVER if I knew who this girl was. It's just amazing the way that she has approached this.



Oh, and just an aside, this kids father and the judge are useless human beings. He should be in jail for 10+ for this crap, he would have known better if he was not entitled and he was raised correctly.

I wouldn't. We have a tendency to make heroes people who fuck up (drinking so much that you pass out) and then make a big/"empowering" speech about it instead of people who are responsible adults and act properly all the time. If she were my daughter, I'd do anything to make sure she gets the support she needs and would try my best to also make sure she doesn't drink that much again, because so many other things could happen to her, including getting hurt/killed/ alcohol poisoing etc. It's much easier to release a statement than to stick to it. Actions speak louder than words.

And don't take this as victim blaming. It's 100% the rapist's fault. But I'm addressing specifically your point about being the proudest whatever. I wouldn't be ashamed of her if she were my daughter (we all make mistakes), but I would be more proud if another child simply behaved properly and didn't get themselves in trouble. Same as if my son went to a bar where dangerous people frequent and someone attacked him. I would support him but what he went though wouldn't make me more proud of him no matter what statement he released afterwards.

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In terms of her empowering other women to come out and share their story, I agree. It can be a great thing. Especially if men, too, share their stories about being raped by men and women, especially if their cases are treated with equal attention and not treated as a laughing matter.

More importantly, I hope it does not encourage more women to falsely accuse men (and women?) of rape for whatever reason and that when they do, they actually go to prison for trying to destroy one's life.



Wyrdness said:
naruball said:

That's the thing, though. He is the father of the rapist. Of course he is biased and of course he would feel completely differently had that happened to his daughter. That goes without saying.

Bias isn't an excuse for daft statements, the are numerous ways for him to highlight that he supports his son with out making the crime look any less, Chris Brown's dad for example highlighted that the altercation between his son and Rihanna was a regrettable one and that his son was remorseful.

Not comparable, I'm afraid.

Brock Turner pleaded not guilty, i.e. claimed that he never raped her. The father couldn't call it as something regrettable as that would destroy his son's chance at winning the case. He referred to it with the vaguest words he thought he could use, i.e. 20 minutes of action. For all we know, he believed his son's words, that she gave concent several times and thus was not a rape. Being so biased, he probably saw his son as incapable of doing of what he was being accused, hence his choice of words. At least that's my interpretation of what he said. For all I know he could be the devil. Since I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions.



Ka-pi96 said:
naruball said:

It's interesting how rapists are raped in prison but murderers are not... murdered.

Is that really even that common though? I mean I expect it has happened, but I'd be very much surprised if it was half as common as all these prison stories seem to suggest.

Hm. You're right. I don't have any data to support that so it could be wrong (though it may be hard to collect reliable data on this).

I just find it interesting how people have grown to hate rape more than murder, so that when there is a rape case everyone goes apeshit expressing their wishes for him to be raped too, while I don't see anyone making such a fuss about murderers. How come people don't wish murderes to be killed in prison? People die in prison all the time.



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naruball said:

Not comparable, I'm afraid.

Brock Turner pleaded not guilty, i.e. claimed that he never raped her. The father couldn't call it as something regrettable as that would destroy his son's chance at winning the case. He referred to it with the vaguest words he thought he could use, i.e. 20 minutes of action. For all we know, he believed his son's words, that she gave concent several times and thus was not a rape. Being so biased, he probably saw his son as incapable of doing of what he was being accused, hence his choice of words. At least that's my interpretation of what he said. For all I know he could be the devil. Since I don't know, I'm not going to jump to conclusions.

That makes little sense tbh as the most common reaction seen from defensive parents is vehement denials that their kid has commited a wrongful act if they truly believe them, the way this statement is worded comes across as if he is trying to downplay the crime in the event his son is found guilty. Even for a person with bias his statement comes across as callous to the whole situation and it's nature and can in fact hurt his son's defence even more, 20 minutes is also a long time to be subject to any wrongful act.



The dad should get a fee for saying stuff like these



Let me guess, white and wealthy?

I have a strong feeling that WatchDogs 2 will touch on this subject in a way no other game has dared to.

Some people are really above the system and nobody can't do a thing about it.



While I agree he should be convicted for much longer and then put on probation, I am annoyed by the fact that the sex offender registry is a permanent mark. It should only last until probation ends. Instead, the actual sentence should be longer to allow for time to come to terms with the problem the person has.

The current sentence is actually less lenient than throwing him in jail for longer and then writing things off... He can always play catch up if he's away for 6 years...



AsGryffynn said:
While I agree he should be convicted for much longer and then put on probation, I am annoyed by the fact that the sex offender registry is a permanent mark. It should only last until probation ends. Instead, the actual sentence should be longer to allow for time to come to terms with the problem the person has.

The current sentence is actually less lenient than throwing him in jail for longer and then writing things off... He can always play catch up if he's away for 6 years...

I agree. 2 years would have been muc better than a lifetime as a sex offender. Are sex offenders the only people required by law to inform all their neighbours that they committed a crime?