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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
Total:767

If the UK left the EU, would it be able to rejoin in the future?

A few people have asked this question - and the answer is yes. BBC Europe editor Katya Adler says the UK would have to start from scratch with no rebate, and enter in to accession talks with the EU. Every member state would have to agree to the UK re-joining. But she says with elections looming elsewhere in Europe, other leaders might not be generous towards any UK demands.

The mechanisms for re-joining the EU are set out in the Lisbon Treaty. According to Article 50: "If a state which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49."
And Article 49 states: "The applicant state shall address its application to the Council, which shall act unanimously after consulting the Commission and after receiving the assent of the European Parliament, which shall act by an absolute majority of its component members. The conditions of admission and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the Union is founded, which such admission entails, shall be the subject of an agreement between the member states and the applicant state."

New members are required to adopt the euro as their currency, once they meet the relevant criteria, although the UK could try to negotiate an opt-out.



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If you want a united Europe, then leaving the EU will be a step back.

But looking at Britians past in the eu, they've always did what they wanted and didn't comply with the rest of europe. That's sad.

And also something to listen to...



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Voted Leave.

The bottom line is just democracy. I don't want my country being governed by laws made by unelected guys in Europe. The ability to kick out people who make bad decisions, so those decisions can be reversed, is absolutely essential if you want to remain a free country.

As the conservative MEP Dan Hannah cleverly quipped the other day: "If the EU applied to join itself, it would be dismissed immediately for being completely undemocratic."

 

maxleresistant said:
I don't know the british economy enough to know if it will be good or bad for them.

The only thing I know, is that if the UK is out, Europe will probably collapse. And I don't even know if it's ood or bad. We can't trust governments, we can't trust politicians and lawmakers, all we know is that we are all fucked.

No-one understands macroeconomics well enough to know. They all feign certainty based on their general worldviews.

Go back and watch various economists debating issues in the past, in cases where we retrospectively know what the outcome ended up being.

I remember seeing a few Nobel Prize winners debating something like government spending after the recession. The US didn't really cut government at all. Whereas the UK did quite a lot. Half of these economists supported 1 policy, the other half supported the other. Now fast forward 5 years and see what happened. UK and US growth are almost identical! It made absolutely no difference what they did.



gedge72 said:

Those countries also had to sign up to the freedom of movement in order to access the EU single market, so that would make a mockery of a big reason that people will vote to leave. The idea that we will get as good a trade deal outside as we have in seems pretty unlikely, and UK businesses that export to the EU will still have to adhere to EU regulations in order to trade. So what exactly does that leave? That we will somehow be stronger on our own rather than being part of the second largest economy in the world? There will always be pros and cons, but to me it seems the benefits of being in the EU outweigh the negatives.

Well on the trade issue, yes if you're part of a bigger body you have more negotiating power. But that's hardly the end of the issue. The other part is: how much more regulations do you have to follow to be a part of that bigger body? Most people I speak to on the issue say that essentially what happens is that it just relocates where the costs are. You can get a slightly better deal at the negotiating table. But the cost of getting to that negotiating table has been increased.

The other point to keep in mind is that it's not just the cost of trade IN vs the cost of trade OUT. It's the cost of trade IN vs the cost of trade OUT + the £20Bn membership fee. So the cost of trade could be reduced by £19Bn inside the EU and it would still work out cheaper to leave.



Holy shit. That poll is scary, What good do people think will come from leaving? I really hope that poll is skewed by ignorance. But sure I'm Irish, what do I know.



 

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John2290 said:
Holy shit. That poll is scary, What good do people think will come from leaving? I really hope that poll is skewed by ignorance. But sure I'm Irish, what do I know.

The irony is that many are voting thinking about immigration and the freedom of movement act, yet if we leave we need to draw up an agreement with the EU for trade and with that may come them saying 'agree to the freedom of movement act' (like Norway does), making the immigration part completely pointless.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:

The irony is that many are voting thinking about immigration and the freedom of movement act, yet if we leave we need to draw up an agreement with the EU for trade and with that may come them saying 'agree to the freedom of movement act' (like Norway does), making the immigration part completely pointless.

Not the only irony either.



The Fury said:
John2290 said:
Holy shit. That poll is scary, What good do people think will come from leaving? I really hope that poll is skewed by ignorance. But sure I'm Irish, what do I know.

The irony is that many are voting thinking about immigration and the freedom of movement act, yet if we leave we need to draw up an agreement with the EU for trade and with that may come them saying 'agree to the freedom of movement act' (like Norway does), making the immigration part completely pointless.

Won't happen, that is Remain groups trying to make Leave look pointless, but is bullshit like most claims.

If Leave wins it would be political suicide to then go against the will and decision of the people and effectively null one of the major points of the referendum.  Nobody would do it as it is basically ignoring democracy..



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The Fury said:
Vyse_Blue_Rogue said:

Mike is right, the UK is only allowed to make it's own trade deals with markets the EU doesn't already have them with. There is no free trade deal currently between the EU and China, so the UK is allowed.

Why would we setup deals with countries we technically already have deals with? :P 

See my response post. We can't make trade deals with any country. It has to be done by the whole EU for the whole EU.

 

We can TRADE with countries the EU doesn't have deals with, but if we wanted to amend terms in a way which we and that country think would be beneficial, we can't.



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The Fury said:
John2290 said:
Holy shit. That poll is scary, What good do people think will come from leaving? I really hope that poll is skewed by ignorance. But sure I'm Irish, what do I know.

The irony is that many are voting thinking about immigration and the freedom of movement act, yet if we leave we need to draw up an agreement with the EU for trade and with that may come them saying 'agree to the freedom of movement act' (like Norway does), making the immigration part completely pointless.

However, we would have as a country, made the CHOICE to accept these terms. Currently we haven't.

 

It may seem like semantics to some. But it would be unchallengeable.

 

Nobody was asked, voted or agreed to the current set up. It was imposed. Should we choose to leave, and then make the same decision anyway, it is still completely different.



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