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Is waiting past E3 to reveal NX a good thing for Nintendo?

Yes 120 38.71%
 
No 152 49.03%
 
See results 38 12.26%
 
Total:310

Helpful i hope.



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Wyrdness said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

I see people saying revealing at their own event is better than showing off at E3 like Sony/Microsoft did, but what Nintendo is doing is nothing like what Sony/Microsoft did.  Sony/Microsoft had seperate events BEFORE E3 and then showcased their systems at E3, but NIntendo is skipping E3 and only having their own event.  Nintendo could have had their own event and had all eyes on them like everyone is saying is the benefit of having their own event BEFORE E3 and had more exposure at E3.  If people want to use the excuse that the NX wasn't ready to be shown before E3 then that's on Nintendo's incompetence to plan ahead.

AMD's new custom win begins production in the second half of the year, no amount of planning from Nintendo can overcome that unless they'd picked hardware readily available at which point the's a chance the hardware would be weaker then what people would like. You're essentially asking them to do unveiling of hardware that's not even complete as well as not in production.

That's mass production, I doubt there's any problem with giving Nintendo like 100 GPUs of any kind for a trade event. Nintendo simply did not want to be at E3 this year so they just opted to give Zelda the stage. That's not a problem, it's just a computer chip, not reverse engineered alien technology.

The chipset and the specs likely have been locked in since last year with units in Nintendo's R&D at minimum.



Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

But is their such a thing as something a lot of people not knowing about gaining a lot better hype and momentum over a period of time? Yes. This happens to movies all the time. Did you know the original Halloween was an absolute flop when it first hit theaters. No one was seeing it, but with word of mouth over a period of time it has become the highest grossing independant films of all time (maybe not anymore, but we are talking about 30 years and a growing movie audience, but it was for a LONG time). 

The 1970s is a different period and it's not even like Halloween was some huge budget tent pole film to begin with.

We have the internet now, social networks like Facebook and Twitter, and hundreds of TV channels, information can consumed much more rapidly, you really only need a few months of real hype for anything and word of mouth spreads much faster these days.

Case in point ... a movie like Deadpool which is a really a C-tier Marvel franchise that most of the general public had no knowledge of a huge blockbuster with minimal pre-release hype.

If you have a great product that gets people excited the word will spread quickly. And quite frankly it's the same with most modern electronics, they're only unveiled usually a few months prior to launch.

 

Deadpool was also riding the wave of successful Marvel movies and got MASSIVE praise by critics and word of mouth. Not the case at all with Nintendo consoles. They are looking at one complete failure and one console people lost interest in. 



Wyrdness said:
bigtakilla said:

Either way, it's the biggest event. Just like E3 is the biggest gaming event. The same amount of people might not tune in a day or two of the three, but still usually the most eyes are on companies at E3. 

Biggest event doesn't neccessarily mean best event, most eyes may be on the event but then the are more companies, announcments and so on to compete with.

Not aimed at you but the problem with people on forums and those harping on about E3 is that most of this mob ironically fail to acknowledge the times have changed around them (a criticism they aim at Nintendo), E3 itself is not needed to generate interest as we've entered the age of on the fly streaming and social media.

I do think that E3 is still an important time. I think what you refer to as far as social media and company specific events are the future of said E3, but I think having a time frame where all companies come together and show everyone their plans for the next year will never be irrelevant. 

But I'm fine if we disagree on that. 



bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

The 1970s is a different period and it's not even like Halloween was some huge budget tent pole film to begin with.

We have the internet now, social networks like Facebook and Twitter, and hundreds of TV channels, information can consumed much more rapidly, you really only need a few months of real hype for anything and word of mouth spreads much faster these days.

Case in point ... a movie like Deadpool which is a really a C-tier Marvel franchise that most of the general public had no knowledge of a huge blockbuster with minimal pre-release hype.

If you have a great product that gets people excited the word will spread quickly. And quite frankly it's the same with most modern electronics, they're only unveiled usually a few months prior to launch.

 

Deadpool was also riding the wave of successful Marvel movies and got MASSIVE praise by critics and word of mouth. Not the case at all with Nintendo consoles. They are looking at one complete failure and one console people lost interest in. 

People have lost interest because their products this generation (aside from a certain number of games, and Nintendo always has brilliant games) simply haven't been very good. You can't generate hype for something that doesn't excite the consumer in the first place.

But even with Deadpool like six months prior to release, no one was talking about it. People started talking about it after the reviews started to come out and the pre-launch hype started to build in a short amount of time.

If you have an exciting product, people will come. If you don't, they won't. Where Nintendo fans I think sometimes lose the forest from the trees is they assume that Mario + Zelda + Metroid = OMG everyone will buy this, when that isn't really (as) impressive to everyone especially when the sales pitch is "you can play these 5 legendary franchises, but in return it means you have basically none of the third party IP you want". People just don't like limited entertainment ecosystems in general.

This is why Windows Phone while subjectively better than iOS and Android in many ways just doesn't gain traction -- it does have all the apps and people don't want to get stuck with the "wrong phone".



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Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

Deadpool was also riding the wave of successful Marvel movies and got MASSIVE praise by critics and word of mouth. Not the case at all with Nintendo consoles. They are looking at one complete failure and one console people lost interest in. 

People have lost interest because their products this generation (aside from a certain number of games, and Nintendo always has brilliant games) simply haven't been very good. You can't generate hype for something that doesn't excite the consumer in the first place.

But even with Deadpool like six months prior to release, no one was talking about it. People started talking about it after the reviews started to come out and the pre-launch hype started to build in a short amount of time.

If you have an exciting product, people will come. If you don't, they won't. Where Nintendo fans I think sometimes lose the forest from the trees is they assume that Mario + Zelda + Metroid = OMG everyone will buy this, when that isn't really (as) impressive to everyone.

Doesn't change the scenerio of it riding off the popularity of its predecessors, which is something Nintendo cannot do. That was the case with PS4. IT rode the success of all its prior consoles, so it didn't need hyped. 

Anyways, we can say Mario + Zelda + Metroid won't make people come, but look at how the Wii U sales were when 3D World released, and Smash 4, and Splatoon. If they had a steady stream of solid titles coming out, I'm pretty sure they would have sold quite a bit more consoles. Would they still be in third? Probably, but it would be a LOT closer. 



se7en7thre3 said:
Can't say if its a good or bad thing yet, but Nintendo inherently put more pressure on themselves by entering a "save the best for last" type situation. After seeing what the 4Neo and XB 1.0 are, Nintendo can't afford a let down, NX pretty much has to blow everyone away..

This is something I didn't even take into consideration, but you're right.



bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

People have lost interest because their products this generation (aside from a certain number of games, and Nintendo always has brilliant games) simply haven't been very good. You can't generate hype for something that doesn't excite the consumer in the first place.

But even with Deadpool like six months prior to release, no one was talking about it. People started talking about it after the reviews started to come out and the pre-launch hype started to build in a short amount of time.

If you have an exciting product, people will come. If you don't, they won't. Where Nintendo fans I think sometimes lose the forest from the trees is they assume that Mario + Zelda + Metroid = OMG everyone will buy this, when that isn't really (as) impressive to everyone.

Doesn't change the scenerio of it riding off the popularity of its predecessors, which is something Nintendo cannot do. That was the case with PS4. IT rode the success of all its prior consoles, so it didn't need hyped. 

Anyways, we can say Mario + Zelda + Metroid won't make people come, but look at how the Wii U sales were when 3D World released, and Smash 4, and Splatoon. If they had a steady stream of solid titles coming out, I'm pretty sure they would have sold quite a bit more consoles. Would they still be in third? Probably, but it would be a LOT closer. 

Wii U sales have been pretty consistently terrible lost-launch onwards.

It only topped 100k in the US for a non-holiday month like once or twice in its entire life cycle which is mind bogglingly bad, I don't think even the Dreamcast did that.



Nem said:
"holding off"

lol


What makes you think they are doing that? It's simply not ready.

You honestly don't think they got the final specs and at least one console made when it will be in homes in 10 months? Also, dev kits are out right? Nintendo is making games for it right? And they would reveal it in a digital event, so a little hollywood magic can be used even in they don't have the console box ready to show. All they'd need is a working controller which if the previous statements are true they would HAVE to have a few working controllers..... How is it not ready?



Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

Doesn't change the scenerio of it riding off the popularity of its predecessors, which is something Nintendo cannot do. That was the case with PS4. IT rode the success of all its prior consoles, so it didn't need hyped. 

Anyways, we can say Mario + Zelda + Metroid won't make people come, but look at how the Wii U sales were when 3D World released, and Smash 4, and Splatoon. If they had a steady stream of solid titles coming out, I'm pretty sure they would have sold quite a bit more consoles. Would they still be in third? Probably, but it would be a LOT closer. 

Wii U sales have been pretty consistently terrible lost-launch onwards.

It only topped 100k in the US for a non-holiday month like once or twice in its entire life cycle which is mind bogglingly bad, I don't think even the Dreamcast did that.

Because that 's when the only games worth buying came out. And I'm pretty sure the non holiday release was when Splatoon launched.