Yes, we can revisit the issue when multiple lives have already been lost. Until then, this is just speculation by a few old farts who grew up when "female hysteria" was being cured by using vibrators.

If a woman passes all fitness tests and psychological evaluation, she's fit to serve and should be accepted. The end.

I wasn't talking about lowering standards for women.

And now it isn't anymore. Deal with it.

I don't agree with what he says.

However, I believe standards should be kept. If a person, man or woman, cannot meet those standards, they don't get in. A weak man can be just as unreliable as a weak woman.

The requirements they listed arent exactly extraordinary

Aren't you pushing that shit a bit far? No reason to be nasty.

Didn't this come up a few years ago when the ban that prevented women from serving in ground combat at all was lowered? I.e. destruction of our military, etc, etc. Did they RE-BAN it, or is this close combat situation something other than general ground combat? Because if it's the latter, then I have to say 'Deja Vu.' o_o

Lowering any bars/barriers in terms of physical performance or other factors is obviously a terrible idea under any circumstances, but when we start talking about opposition to allowing women who actually ARE more than capable and competent enough to perform on par with, at the very least, the weakest male member in a squadron, that's when things get bizarre. o_o I mean, it sounds like if I were to join the Army and seek a close combat posting, and I met all the necessary requirements, I would be accepted... but a soldier who can literally do everything I can do BETTER, but has breasts, would be deemed a weak link? Because... estrogen?

And let's be clear here, I have no idea what percentage of women currently in the overall military, or those seeking close combat roles, etc, would be able to meet those criteria. No clue. But I think any assertion that NONE of them do is, quite frankly, insane. o_o It should almost go without saying that there's going to be a spectrum of physical fitness and competence, and it's not going to be nearly so cut-and-dry as 'Strongest Woman Is Lesser Than Weakest Man.'

"So, I passed all the necessary physicals and fitness tests to prove that I am indeed more than capable to be placed on the front lines, Sir!"
"I'm sorry, Betty, but your request for a transfer has been denied."
"I... wait, why?"
"Why, because, you lack the necessary physical qualities!"
"...I literally just proved I have the strength and fitness the squadron expects."
"Yes, but unfortunately you don't meet our requirements."
"I... wait, THAT GUY has even lower fitness scores than mine, why's he allowed in?"
"Because he meets our fitness requirements!"
"SO DID I."
"Yes, but you failed to meet our OTHER requirements."
"...it's a penis, isn't it?"
"...it might be."

Maybe I am, I admit, but there sure is a reason to be nasty. Aren't freedom and equality the two main principles of western civilization? When somebody argues against those, especially citing the same fallacious arguments like people did in the past to justify when we today know as horrific acts of discrimination, I think that's a sufficient reason for a little hostility, no?

Damn women, they not be as good for terrorizing other nations and stealing their oil supplies. Fucking bitches don't know how to liberate people of their human rights and slaughter innocents.

In the army, you need to be a mindless drone that kills. Anything else is BAD.



Seriously, war is stupid. If people realised that the majority of the wars that occur are generated by propaganda, and to benefit the government and corporations, people wouldn't be so supportive. Wars typically benefit no one but those in power.

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For Christ's sake...

If they can meet the same standards as the men, they should be able to fight and die alongside them if they want. There will be adjustment issues which will be slow to overcome. There always are in sizeable changes. Cultural, psychological, behavioral, etc. But ethics aside, a little estrogen might be a good thing for keeping soldier behavior more balanced and less likely to get carried away. Granted, female abuse in the military is its own can of worms which may get worse before it gets better.

On a side note I think physical strength is a bit overrated when modern combat is more about superior technology and training than how many pushups you can do or miles you can run.