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spurgeonryan said:
Well like the database before it, these user articles and reviews would be attached to the game database. You would go to the actual game wall. So in essence it would not really interfere with any actual articles or threads. Just a place where members could go to write about what they love. Editor admins could just be there to make sure it is on topic. Not to make sure they have a degree in American literature and Grammar.

Ah I see;

So you're saying you could find a game on the DB and there would be user-linked news/user-generated reviews of said game?

I could get behind that tbh



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spemanig said:
Slarvax said:
Well... VGC does take its time to publish news.
The biggest problem would be how to make it work. Just looking at how Writers write stuff, it seems like it would take a lot of work for Trucks to do.
Oh actually... yeah, it seems really hard. It's because of the way the site is built, and the "Writers section". And I dont even know what Machina and/or the rest of the team think on it...

How so? I was actually hoping to get a writer's perspective on this.

Again, I want to make it clear that I don't think it's anyone's fault that the news doesn't always come out in a timely manner. I'm not trying to blame anyone. I think it's a tragedy of circumstance.

I was hoping that mod-approved volenteer editors of the same ilk as the Game DB Admins would help alleviate the difficulty of implementation. This way all of the user submitted articles would all be of a level of quality by default, meaning that no one would need to pick up the slack as much.

Well, I just see it on the technical way. Let's say that there's a whole section (Mini forum?) for writers. We submit drafts or pending news/articles/reviews there. We also have bios, upload pictures to a media database to use on the articles, we have to upload other pictures to the article to make banners, etc... All those things are locked behind the "Writer" privileges. 

Now, what you want to do seems... complicated. You would have to give every user access to some of those things without interfering the writer-exclusive priviliges. You would have to seperate the mini forum to "User submitted news" and "writer submitted news". The media database would also have to be separated. There would have to be guidelines for every user to follow, and I highly doubt we can trust on everyone to follow them (well, this can be fixed during editing).

I don't know much on the case, but it seems like a lot of work on the Administrators side.



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ReimTime said:
Personally I'm against it. We have the forums to copypasta articles from other sites and then argue about them. Plus we volunteer for thread creation and actually have an incentive to do it (GamrPoints).
Plus the need for editors acknowledges a bottleneck. By the time the editors get through the vast volume of material they receive there will already be a relevant thread up. This is assuming the contributors are paraphrasing and not copy/pasting.
I say let the writing team do their thing. The OC we have been getting from them is pretty good IMO (reviews and other interesting insights), and the sales analyses from Will are nice. I may be alone in this but I don't read the articles for the news - no offense to anybody but it will always come to the threads quicker and in relative quality. Way she goes

I don't understand why you'd be against it, though. I'm not suggesting that the articles compete with the threads being generated about the news.

I think the writing team is fantastic, like I said I want to be one. This wouldn't stop the writing team from "doing their thing." If anything, it would allow them to do their thing more. You said you don't read the articles for the news. That's 100% fair, but the fact of the matter is that VGC writes dozens of news articles a day regardless, and very often that news is very late.

I don't really understand how the need for editors acknowleges a bottleneck. Editor's would merely disregard copy-pasted articles. That's why they exist. They read through the articles, choose the first one of a high quality, edit and make any necessary adjustment, and then post/submit it for posting by the actual site editors. No news site tries to compete with forums. It's impossible. This is just meant to stop situations where a news article is posted here 6 hours or more after the news initially breakes. Also, this plan would have the same incentive. You'd recieve GamrPoints if your news article was selected under this system.

This is also only for news, so nothing would happen to the OC like reviews, editorials, interviews, rumors, sales analysis', etc. Writers would still do all that. This would just be a way for users to contribute to the news so that it's posted on the site in a timely manner, which is a large amount of the writing content for this site. The largest, in fact.



There's also the fact that people would easily abuse it. But trolls can be dealt with, I guess. Aaaand, lastly, since everyone has access, there would be a flood and wall of user submitted news for big stuff (New Kojima game? Splatoon sells 500 million? RIP editors)



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spurgeonryan said:
Well like the database before it, these user articles and reviews would be attached to the game database. You would go to the actual game wall. So in essence it would not really interfere with any actual articles or threads. Just a place where members could go to write about what they love. Editor admins could just be there to make sure it is on topic. Not to make sure they have a degree in American literature and Grammar.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. I came up with this to solve a problem with the articles here, which is not posting news when it breaks.

It would be pointless if it wasn't posted on the actual articles because it would defeat the purpose of the proposition. It wouldn't be fixing anything. Same with posting stuff other than news. There's nothing wrong with the timeliness of the reviews and other stuff posted here. Those have more leeway. News doesn't. And in that case, the news would definitely have to be edited for good grammer and the like.



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Cloudman said:
Don't we sort of get news threads mades daily? At least when there is new news posted. It may be directly copied, but I feel there is usually news posted on the site.

Well news is posted on every forum, but that's not the point I'm getting at lol.



Slarvax said:

Well, I just see it on the technical way. Let's say that there's a whole section (Mini forum?) for writers. We submit drafts or pending news/articles/reviews there. We also have bios, upload pictures to a media database to use on the articles, we have to upload other pictures to the article to make banners, etc... All those things are locked behind the "Writer" privileges. 

Now, what you want to do seems... complicated. You would have to give every user access to some of those things without interfering the writer-exclusive priviliges. You would have to seperate the mini forum to "User submitted news" and "writer submitted news". The media database would also have to be separated. There would have to be guidelines for every user to follow, and I highly doubt we can trust on everyone to follow them (well, this can be fixed during editing).

I don't know much on the case, but it seems like a lot of work on the Administrators side.

Yeah, everything you way seems in line with what I'm suggesting... Sort of.

When it comes to back end, what I'm suggesting is, like you say, a separate "mini-forum" for user submitted news articles. That "forum" would have all the strict guidelines the users must follow to be considered clearly stated. Once submitted, they would be curated by the "Editor Admins," or the mod-approved volenteer editors who exclusively read through this stuff. They'd read the submitted articles, choose one once there is an article of high quality, edit it as per usual, and then submit that for the actual site editors to approve for publishing on the site.

As for bios and the like, the user submitted articles and the writer specific articles would be very differently labely, much like on buzzfeed. It would be clear immediately just by the thumbnail if it was user generated. I don't know how it would be done if it were actually implemented, but I wouldn't expect for user submitted articles to do anything more than link the profiles of the writer and editor's profile on the site. It would be very different from the actual writers where you writing under your professional born name. With user submitted news, you would be contributing purely as a user, and you'd be credited to your profile with your username. Instead of "written by John Smith," it would say "submitted by Spemanig and approved by Slarvax," or something to that effect.

As for the administrative side, outside of the initial implementation of this coding-wise, I don't really see how it would be more work than is reasonable. I mean, by the time the news is ready to be approved by them, it is essentially just another article for approval. I can see that they'd have more articles to read through, but I'd expect that they'd want that higher quantity of timely news articles. The point in having median mod approved-editors is to specifically address the issue of having the whole process be to complicated or too much work. They are there to even out the workload amongst themselves so that the administrators only need to work with the "finished" works that they are used to. Ideally, anyway.



Slarvax said:
There's also the fact that people would easily abuse it. But trolls can be dealt with, I guess. Aaaand, lastly, since everyone has access, there would be a flood and wall of user submitted news for big stuff (New Kojima game? Splatoon sells 500 million? RIP editors)

Well the editors would only chose one. So once one is chosen, they'd easily just reject all the duplicates. I'm sure people tried to abuse the Game DB as well, but I'm also sure that was a monority and it didn't effect the actual quality of the database because the admins were specifically put there to deal with that.



spemanig said:

Yeah, everything you way seems in line with what I'm suggesting... Sort of.

When it comes to back end, what I'm suggesting is, like you say, a separate "mini-forum" for user submitted news articles. That "forum" would have all the strict guidelines the users must follow to be considered clearly stated. Once submitted, they would be curated by the "Editor Admins," or the mod-approved volenteer editors who exclusively read through this stuff. They'd read the submitted articles, choose one once there is an article of high quality, edit it as per usual, and then submit that for the actual site editors to approve for publishing on the site.

As for bios and the like, the user submitted articles and the writer specific articles would be very differently labely, much like on buzzfeed. It would be clear immediately just by the thumbnail if it was user generated. I don't know how it would be done if it were actually implemented, but I wouldn't expect for user submitted articles to do anything more than link the profiles of the writer and editor's profile on the site. It would be very different from the actual writers where you writing under your professional born name. With user submitted news, you would be contributing purely as a user, and you'd be credited to your profile with your username. Instead of "written by John Smith," it would say "submitted by Spemanig and approved by Slarvax," or something to that effect.

As for the administrative side, outside of the initial implementation of this coding-wise, I don't really see how it would be more work than is reasonable. I mean, by the time the news is ready to be approved by them, it is essentially just another article for approval. I can see that they'd have more articles to read through, but I'd expect that they'd want that higher quantity of timely news articles. The point in having median mod approved-editors is to specifically address the issue of having the whole process be to complicated or too much work. They are there to even out the workload amongst themselves so that the administrators only need to work with the "finished" works that they are used to. Ideally, anyway.

Was that a Doctor Who reference? I hope it was

Again, I kind of agree, but it seems complicated for what Trucks would have to do. Mostly because of the way the site was built. There's also the fact that Machina has to read this (as per usual)

Oh and btw, I'm the most inexperienced writer on the site. So there might be other stuff going on that I don't know. Trying to help as much as I can, but I'm not the best to ask



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Slarvax said:

Was that a Doctor Who reference? I hope it was

Again, I kind of agree, but it seems complicated for what Trucks would have to do. Mostly because of the way the site was built. There's also the fact that Machina has to read this (as per usual)

Oh and btw, I'm the most inexperienced writer on the site. So there might be other stuff going on that I don't know. Trying to help as much as I can, but I'm not the best to ask

What!? It wasn't unfortunatly, but I'll try to throw one in here that is not-so-subltly fantastic!

Oh yeah, I'm definitely not trying to underplay that it would take work. I am just not sure that it would be so unreasonably complicated that it wouldn't be worth implementing. I thing the benefits would sort of outweight the initial workload once the cogs got moving. This also isn't really something I necessarily think need to be implemented exactly now. I just think that I would be worth a look as a way to positively impact the articles in a way that effectively utilizes the community that Machina (and myself believe it or not) holds to such a high regard that he was insistant in it's remaining focus on the main page.

You are much more experienced than I am lol so you'll know better than me. Plus you're a writer. Writers are cool.

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