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Are you transgender(or any other special gender)?

Yes. 7 6.36%
 
No. 103 93.64%
 
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TheLight said:

But the surgery is just an illusion, you and they are assuming that the surgery will make them happy.  When they can't know what it will feel like before hand and the procedure is ireversable.  If you had a forced sex change surgery and then had corective sugery to do the best surgons could do to restore your form I am 99% sure that you would be unhappy with the result.  You as a person would be un happy with the equivalent transgender body.

http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2013/11/20-regret-changing-genders-over-40attempt-suicide-and-even-after-surgery-a-large-number-remain-traum.html

 Many people do regret the surgery and kill themselfs, but you don't need to take anyones word for it.  We can use logic if we are using feelings over logic we are doomed to go extinct soon and it dosen't mean anything.  You can't turly want what you don't known if a man thinks he wants a female body he wants something that he can't have he will never have a real female body and he will not know what it is like before hand.  He may want to be treated like a women and surgery can fix that, but is it worth risking that and then regret it and commit suicide? Are you encoreging pepole to do something that can likely results in their death? 

Doing almost anything can result in death. There are plenty more people who have had a sex change an came out happy than people who haven't. If they think it's worth that risk, more power to them.



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I think this matter is a product of environment above anything else. Notice how one of our users quoted a study where scientists can predict at age 5 with 90% accuracy? Why not at age one? Because the mind is still developing and they're environment, at this period of life, will have the most significant impact on their overall development moving forward. You want to prove its not a product of environment? Let's see a study that has >50% accuracy at birth. Let's see what the cat scans tell us then.

with that being said, I do not blame, condone, or dismiss anyone based on how they perceive themselves. We work with what we got



hershel_layton said:

Just curious, but why do people feel as if their biological gender does not describe their actual "gender"? is there any science that can explain the mindset behind a transgender person? 


I'd rather not assume and potentially become a douche to everyone...so I'll play it safe and not jump to any conclusions.

In my personal opinion. Perhaps a fact. It is a psychological disorder. Man needs to be raised like a man and go to cafe with dad and be a man that he is. Problem is in the modern climate kids get raised by babysitters and mainly join a female circle. So man are thought to be like females. Father nowadays has no time. Momma is busy smartphoning. Plus the fact that the media is womanising the man. And it is promoted intensively. I dont fall for that. But i think this combo creates a chaotic mind of male and female kids. Be what u r is the natural message. The media message and climate how you raise kids has changed. And in this unfortu'ate the arabs are better than us. They make kids. They raise them acccordingly. And they make more kids then us. In the long run we the west will become history. And the arabs wil triumph without war. It is my opinion. U dont have to agree



spemanig said:
To drive home this idea of not being an inconsiderate asshole on the principal of insignificant semantics, I'd like to bring up an example of equal consequence.

There once was a young girl. She was born with the name Destiny. However, she preferred a different name. Growing up, people began referring to her by this different name. This nick name. This nick name wasn't her born name, but she asked everyone she knew to call her by this other name, because she did not identify with her birth name, Destiny. Even her birth parents would call her by this nick name. Anyone calling her Destiny at this point were just needlessly and knowingly being jerks. She wasn't hurting anybody asking to be called this other name.

When she turned 18, she made a decision. She identified so strongly with this other name, that it felt like more than a nickname to her. It defined her. It was the true her. It was her identity. Destiny was not her name anymore, not to her. So shortly after she turned 18, Miley Cyrus finally made her new name official.
se·man·tics
səˈman(t)iks/
noun
 
  1. the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, andconceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.
    • the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text.
      plural noun: semantics
    If the meaning of words is insignificant than I am not sure why anything you wrote above should be important.  Now forget what I just typed,if your biological gender means so little that you would change it why would gender mean anything at all?  Why is gender significant at all that you should be concerned by it. I see no reason at all why your gender should define who you are as a person in the least.  If you say because of feelings, you then have to argue why feelings are more important than reality. If you air on the side of feelings how can have a logcal argument people have all kinds of feelings people could feel that murder is right. How would you then argue logically why I should care about your feelings, If I am in my own mind everything could just be an illusion how would I know if I can't trust logic and my physical senses above my feelings than right and wrong mean nothing so you would be nothing everything would mean nothing. My feelings are nothing they are but a tool to exersise to help me feel good about doing good and bad when I do bad. Now if you don't believe in right and wrong you belive in nothing.  You would have no tools to convinvince me you are trying to convince others based on feelings when they differ between people and can easily change.  If you try to say you should change feelings based on feelings, that is utter nonsense you have no logical reason to convince anyone that your feelings or anyones are important.  Now if you are replying to me to feel good because you think you have something to say.  Just know that I feel you are unimportant and I now feel bored, so it will be intresting for you to try to reply to no one for I am unimportant everything is meaningless.  So I am not going to read your reply because it is pointless arguing without logic and everything is meaningless unless. Unless what?  


Semmie said:

In my personal opinion. Perhaps a fact. It is a psychological disorder. Man needs to be raised like a man and go to cafe with dad and be a man that he is. Problem is in the modern climate kids get raised by babysitters and mainly join a female circle. So man are thought to be like females. Father nowadays has no time. Momma is busy smartphoning. Plus the fact that the media is womanising the man. And it is promoted intensively. I dont fall for that. But i think this combo creates a chaotic mind of male and female kids. Be what u r is the natural message. The media message and climate how you raise kids has changed. And in this unfortu'ate the arabs are better than us. They make kids. They raise them acccordingly. And they make more kids then us. In the long run we the west will become history. And the arabs wil triumph without war. It is my opinion. U dont have to agree

And I don't agree.

I could rant about your flawed logic in a wall of text, but I'll try to keep it very short.

That the west is currently "dieing out" is because families are not having as many children as 50 years ago, because there is something called birth control.

So that doesn't have anything to do with men not being raised like "men", whatever that is supposed to be.



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Raised like man raised like women is the transgender topic
Birth rate is the demograph.

The west is distorted. And as arogant as we are. The fact is we are a dying breed. Arabs do 3 to 5 kids. We do one or none.



Iyasu said:
Semmie said:

In my personal opinion. Perhaps a fact. It is a psychological disorder. Man needs to be raised like a man and go to cafe with dad and be a man that he is. Problem is in the modern climate kids get raised by babysitters and mainly join a female circle. So man are thought to be like females. Father nowadays has no time. Momma is busy smartphoning. Plus the fact that the media is womanising the man. And it is promoted intensively. I dont fall for that. But i think this combo creates a chaotic mind of male and female kids. Be what u r is the natural message. The media message and climate how you raise kids has changed. And in this unfortu'ate the arabs are better than us. They make kids. They raise them acccordingly. And they make more kids then us. In the long run we the west will become history. And the arabs wil triumph without war. It is my opinion. U dont have to agree

And I don't agree.

I could rant about your flawed logic in a wall of text, but I'll try to keep it very short.

That the west is currently "dieing out" is because families are not having as many children as 50 years ago, because there is something called birth control.

So that doesn't have anything to do with men not being raised like "men", whatever that is supposed to be.

 It has nothibg to do with birth control. Its greed and selfishness. We want smartphones fast cars games. And any individual thing. No time for kids. People fear marriage for divorce and giving half of their property. The topic is complicated. 

 

My opinion is there would be a whole less transgenders if the kids are raised properly. Man be man. Woman be women



Semmie said:

 It has nothibg to do with birth control. Its greed and selfishness. We want smartphones fast cars games. And any individual thing. No time for kids. People fear marriage for divorce and giving half of their property. The topic is complicated. 

 

My opinion is there would be a whole less transgenders if the kids are raised properly. Man be man. Woman be women

Humans have been greedy in the past, but they didn't have the tools to prevent a pregnancy. More divorces happen because women aren't as dependent on a man and his income anymore and put up with far less then they used to, because they had to.

Sure the topic is complicated, but I don't see men not being raised as men as the issue here.

Men are as horny as they've always been, and transgenders most possibly also existed for as long as mankind existed, eventhough I can't prove that. That these minorities are being noticed today has a lot to do with society opening up and accepting them to an improved degree.
In times (or places) when (where) people were (are) being "raised properly" transgenders would be (are) forced to live a lie, hide or be prosecuted or killed, so of course it would seem like there were less transgenders, but there weren't (aren't).



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hershel_layton said:

Just curious, but why do people feel as if their biological gender does not describe their actual "gender"? is there any science that can explain the mindset behind a transgender person? 


I'd rather not assume and potentially become a douche to everyone...so I'll play it safe and not jump to any conclusions.

As with sexual orientation, sexual identity cannot be explained by hard science (see this for lots of thesis that went nowhere : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism )

I guess you could look at psychology and sociology for an explanation about the mindset, mabe anthropology and looking into the societies that have a tradition of transvestism (lots of them, through theatre mostly).

History (yet another "soft" science) shows this mindset is not new : Georges Sand, born Amantine-Lucile-Aurore Dupin,  famous french novelist and one of Chopin's lover, was described as "dressing up like a man, walking like a man and speaking like a man".



hershel_layton said:

Just curious, but why do people feel as if their biological gender does not describe their actual "gender"? is there any science that can explain the mindset behind a transgender person? 


I'd rather not assume and potentially become a douche to everyone...so I'll play it safe and not jump to any conclusions.

I don't pretend to be an expert, but I'll offer my experience.

One Monday morning, one of my female colleagues shocked everyone by announcing that she'd changed her name legally, and that her name was "not the only thing that would be changing".

While we were all initially gobsmacked by this news, after thinking about it, none of us were surprised. She always wore a skirt to work to 'fit in', but her femininity pretty much ended there. I remember she would never go to our Christmas parties because you were expected to wear eveningwear, and she said she felt too uncomfortable wearing an evening dress. She talked and acted like a man. Her partner was female, but she didn't consider herself to be gay.

She had gender dysphoria - a medically recognised condition where there is a mismatch between biological gender and gender identity. There's no conclusive proof as to how gender dysphoria comes about, but in her case, it was something to do with her chromasomes.

Over the next 24 months, she dressed and lived like a man. She was prescribed hormone therapy. Her voice broke; she grew facial hair. A year into this therapy, she had a series of operations to remove her female organs and construct male ones. After 2 years, she was a man.

As someone who knew the person from beforehand and witnessed the transition from start to finish, I can honestly say that he had not changed one bit as a person. While all the physical change was going on, the personality was always the constant. As a female, he always seemed to be a bit of an oddball, a bit out of place. As a male, everything about who he was as a person seemed to make sense.