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Wyrdness said:
FragilE^ said:

Stop. Just stop. No, we are not born with racism. I never said that. We are born with a system in our brains (this includes you, get down from your pedistal) that leads us to classify and judge people and things, to make it easier for us to understand the world, which in turn will lead to biases and prejudice. This is extremely basic. Please understand.

You're being very judgemental for someone "sooo open minded".

I think you should learn what judgemental means before you throw the word out as well as the context because right now the shoe is fitting you well, we're not born with that system mate that's an excuse, that whole system is taught to you hence why infants are incapable of acts like that unless they are exposed to it. This is why efforts are constantly being made to deal with discrimination as it's a flaw of society not the nature of the person, people are born with the ability to identify another person and learn and that's it, the surroundings is what moulds a person and you yourself have admitted this.

So no no one is born with that trait come off that, it's an excuse you're giving for what can lead to something serious, it is put into people you're mistaking nurture for nature here.

Do some research. You're talking out of your ass. You also still fail to grasp that hatred and bias is two very different things. Bye bye

*Edit*

Actually, let me save you some time (30 seconds on google)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/02/05/everyone-biased-harvard-professor-work-reveals-barely-know-our-own-minds/7x5K4gvrvaT5d3vpDaXC1K/blog.html
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sites/womenshealthmag.com/files/prejudice/index.html
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-born-racist-bias-expert.html



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eva01beserk said:
Normchacho said:

Let's star with the bold part.

1. That's untrue. An company doesn't have to hire a black applicant over a white applicant, and they often don't. In a recent study it was found that people with white sounding names typically needed to send out 10 resumes to get a callback, people with black sounding names needed to send out 15. Statistically speaking, that's an enourmous gap. On top of that, the unemployment rate for black college graduates is more than twice the national average.

2. There are however still quotas and percentages that need to be adhered to for schools and buisinesses regarding minority groups, though I suspect that you'll see that change to economic quotes in the future, at least for schools.

As for the rest of your post, that's the price we pay for our free speech. I have a right to say pretty much whatever I want, and it's a right I excercise regularly, but I'm also fully aware that there are consiquences. If you say that something that's going to piss people off, you'd better be ready for people to be pissed off.

Having the right to say whatever you want also means you're responsible for everything you say.

You are missing the point. We know that there are reprecautions for our words. The problem is the exagerated punishment these SJW's want to impose.  If we are disagreen on on something, and I come of a litle racist or sexist or whatever, there can never be any reason for you to call my employer or school and ask for my separation of such, or even mark me so the entire society shuns me. Its plain ridicoulous and frankly thats very nazi like thinking. Think and do what we do or we will completly destory your life, later we will come for your life.

So you're okay with there being repercussions for our words as long as they're not actually damaging? So what exactly is your proposed solution to this issue? Force institutions to stand by employees and students no matter what they say, regardless of the potential damage? Or do we make it illegal for people to take action against something they find offensive?

I'm not missing the point, it's the whole point.



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FragilE^ said:
Wyrdness said:

I think you should learn what judgemental means before you throw the word out as well as the context because right now the shoe is fitting you well, we're not born with that system mate that's an excuse, that whole system is taught to you hence why infants are incapable of acts like that unless they are exposed to it. This is why efforts are constantly being made to deal with discrimination as it's a flaw of society not the nature of the person, people are born with the ability to identify another person and learn and that's it, the surroundings is what moulds a person and you yourself have admitted this.

So no no one is born with that trait come off that, it's an excuse you're giving for what can lead to something serious, it is put into people you're mistaking nurture for nature here.

Do some research. You're talking out of your ass. You also still fail to grasp that hatred and bias is two very different things. Bye bye

*Edit*

Actually, let me save you some time (30 seconds on google)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/02/05/everyone-biased-harvard-professor-work-reveals-barely-know-our-own-minds/7x5K4gvrvaT5d3vpDaXC1K/blog.html
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sites/womenshealthmag.com/files/prejudice/index.html
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-born-racist-bias-expert.html

Except the failure is on your part considering you're pushing the everyone is a little bit racist mantle and saying it's part of how we're built ironically it's your own post that have mixed hatred and preference, a study can say anything you want in fact the are just as many that say people who play games aren't productive/violent etc... and the second irony is that those links back what I say about nurture thanks, they highlight how people respond to something different in their surroundings precisely what I was highlighting about society moulding people and why infants don't display hateful behaviour.

Finally try responding with out taking things personally as you're angry for no reason here other than someone has a different point of view to your own.



this guy always seems bothered by things like racism and sexism but not in the sense of fixing it but by why is everything sexist or racist nowadays :/
i take it your a middle class white man, and while inherently you have done nothing wrong , you are the top beneficiary of an unjust system , so take this minor annoynance and enjoy the significantly less discrimination you have to deal with

but yeah LOL of course its bound to happen everything is abused , but after a long time of being ignored and abused by a system best believe minorities are sensitive and pissed , rightfully so

only way BS like this can end is if the system is fixed to treat everyone better and fairly ( including whites despite their massive advantage in the system )



Wyrdness said:
FragilE^ said:

Do some research. You're talking out of your ass. You also still fail to grasp that hatred and bias is two very different things. Bye bye

*Edit*

Actually, let me save you some time (30 seconds on google)

http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/02/05/everyone-biased-harvard-professor-work-reveals-barely-know-our-own-minds/7x5K4gvrvaT5d3vpDaXC1K/blog.html
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sites/womenshealthmag.com/files/prejudice/index.html
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-born-racist-bias-expert.html

Except the failure is on your part considering you're pushing the everyone is a little bit racist mantle and saying it's part of how we're built ironically it's your own post that have mixed hatred and preference, a study can say anything you want in fact the are just as many that say people who play games aren't productive/violent etc... and the second irony is that those links back what I say about nurture thanks, they highlight how people respond to something different in their surroundings precisely what I was highlighting about society moulding people and why infants don't display hateful behaviour.

Finally try responding with out taking things personally as you're angry for no reason here other than someone has a different point of view to your own.

Just as prejudices are learned and not inherent, so is reconizing our own prejudices. We all develop some form of prejudices as we develop, but we should try to reconize these behaviors and correct them as we come to undestand them. The only thinking thing that could not develop some form of prejudice is a mine free of ignorance. We are all ignorant in some ways and always learning.

 

Being open about having prejudices is not what is causing all the racism and hate, it's failure to work on your prejudical behaviors. You got to reconize a behavior before it can be fixed.



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At my job, we skirt the line with racism, but most of my salesmen are of Asian, Hispanic, or middle eastern descent.

See, we have sales. And these sales don't pay my salesmen. They get paid for full-service items and warranties. So when one ethnic group comes in and continuously buys only the sales items (which require our assistance, regardless of if the sale pays),my salesmen have their time and effort wasted. And this results in profiling those customers.

I (the only white guy in my only department, go figure) told everyone that it's not just them. And that not all of them buy only sales items. Sure, the ratio is skewed by ethnicity, but it's not a black and white thing. So we came up with a new term for them, one that is all inclusive to appear less racist and raise less flags should a customer hear.

Canadians. We call them all Canadians.



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Normchacho said:
eva01beserk said:

You are missing the point. We know that there are reprecautions for our words. The problem is the exagerated punishment these SJW's want to impose.  If we are disagreen on on something, and I come of a litle racist or sexist or whatever, there can never be any reason for you to call my employer or school and ask for my separation of such, or even mark me so the entire society shuns me. Its plain ridicoulous and frankly thats very nazi like thinking. Think and do what we do or we will completly destory your life, later we will come for your life.

So you're okay with there being repercussions for our words as long as they're not actually damaging? So what exactly is your proposed solution to this issue? Force institutions to stand by employees and students no matter what they say, regardless of the potential damage? Or do we make it illegal for people to take action against something they find offensive?

I'm not missing the point, it's the whole point.

THe thing is is damiging is not what they want, they want complete destruction of their lives. Can you really not see a problem with this? Offending someone and basicly having to leave the country in exile for it? Its insane.



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pepharytheworm said:

Just as prejudices are learned and not inherent, so is reconizing our own prejudices. We all develop some form of prejudices as we develop, but we should try to reconize these behaviors and correct them as we come to undestand them. The only thinking thing that could not develop some form of prejudice is a mine free of ignorance. We are all ignorant in some ways and always learning.

 

Being open about having prejudices is not what is causing all the racism and hate, it's failure to work on your prejudical behaviors. You got to reconize a behavior before it can be fixed.

That's what I've been saying mate, the behavioural traits are developed hence my example with the infants, we're only born with learning that is more advance then many animals, the reason why racism, sexism and so on don't die is that the world around us develops us in a way where we develop those traits. It's a flaw in the society around us essentially from subliminal messages to portrayl in media, ignorance is born as a result of this flaw as well, if you asked someone to describe Africa a significant number will think it's all mud huts and warlords for example as media portrayal does a lot in mentally programming people.

Identifying a behaviour early is one thing but as long as the current structure of the system remains how it is little progression will be made and it'll open up a whole can or worms because tackling flaws in the system is harder and often more personal to people then simply spreading messages trying to stamp out racism, the latter has done all it can at this point. An example of what I'm talking about is how heated people got in the thread about White Privilege, some took some of the posts as an attack on white people when it was really about whether the system approaches the group differently, dealing with racism on all levels would bring topics like this up and things would get extremely heated.



I think most of us realize this- all of us are biased, and can be prejudiced/racist at times.

Ok...Well, what does that mean then? Information proves we can be racist, now what? Does that justify racist actions? Does it disapprove racist actions? Perhaps more clarification



 

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eva01beserk said:
Normchacho said:

So you're okay with there being repercussions for our words as long as they're not actually damaging? So what exactly is your proposed solution to this issue? Force institutions to stand by employees and students no matter what they say, regardless of the potential damage? Or do we make it illegal for people to take action against something they find offensive?

I'm not missing the point, it's the whole point.

THe thing is is damiging is not what they want, they want complete destruction of their lives. Can you really not see a problem with this? Offending someone and basicly having to leave the country in exile for it? Its insane.

Who is they? And where is this happening? Weren't we talking about the U.S.? I was, at least from a legal standpoint, and I've never heard of anyone having to leave the country due to social pressure.

You also need to remember that the country, and the world, is a big place. There are always going to be people with really extreme views. There are people that belive 9-11 wouldn't have happened if we had purged the country of homosexuals. Some people are crazy, and if we're talking about people of that ilk, someone bitching about something someone else said is the least of our problems.



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