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RingoGaSuki said:
Volterra_90 said:

Great! I managed to get them, and they're very accessible and everything is well explained. I think I must learn Hiragana and Katakana first, since I think they're the basics to starting to write and learn Japanese. Is there any accesible way to learn how to write them? I mean, a non-memoristic style of learning them. 

I'd recommned Anki for this, there's a lot of hiragana/katakana decks out there. You could even just start learning how to read and write words if you wanted to speed along the process a little. Download a basic words deck for Anki or do the basics in Memrise and read the word, write it down a few times and you'll remember the characters rather quickly. If that sounds too stressful, then limit yourself to 5-10 new characters a day, and every week you'll be learning 35-70 characters! It seems daunting at first, but trust me, it gets a lot easier once you start.

 

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/hiragana-timer.html

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/katakana-timer.html

This helped me practice a lot! I learned hiragana in 1 day using this and a normal chart. I'd do the ones I remembered and try learn 1 or 2 and try it again, and repeat. It may be specific for me it working so well but it'd be interesting to see if it helps others.



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わたしのにほんごがじょうずじゃない

すこしかんじをおぼえるから、よくよまない

ショートフォームがじょうずになりたい

Will definitely need help with sentence correcting so hopefully somebody can help me out in this thread!



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Will definitely like to improve my japanese. よろしくお願いします!
I have some books that help me along the way:
- Japanese in Mangaland 1,2,3... as we know manga is very much likely the reason we all start studying this language (I do), these books present grammar and japanese culture in manga making it simple to understand.
- Japanese demistifyed.. the japanses for dummies version, very easy to understand explaining when to use each particle
- Remembering the Kanji, one of the best Kanji remembering method book I've read.. it helps you understand the kanji you are writing so you'll never forget.

Practice makes perfection, will try to interact more often in this topic. 日本語を頑張ろう!



Platina said:
わたしのにほんごがじょうずじゃない

すこしかんじをおぼえるから、よくよまない

ショートフォームがじょうずになりたい

Will definitely need help with sentence correcting so hopefully somebody can help me out in this thread!

Is my help not enough for you? ;_;



 

              

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Cloudman said:
Platina said:
わたしのにほんごがじょうずじゃない

すこしかんじをおぼえるから、よくよまない

ショートフォームがじょうずになりたい

Will definitely need help with sentence correcting so hopefully somebody can help me out in this thread!

Is my help not enough for you? ;_;

Can't only be relying on my rival, yunno... :p

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Platina said:
わたしのにほんごがじょうずじゃない

すこしかんじをおぼえるから、よくよまない

ショートフォームがじょうずになりたい

Will definitely need help with sentence correcting so hopefully somebody can help me out in this thread!

My version, not sure what you are meaning by ショートフォーム, I translate from short form. It's far from perfect, but it's quite hard  to translate simple sentences without context when not used to.

日本語が下手です。(にほんごがへたです)

漢字はほとんど知らないので、日本語があまり読めません。(かんじはほとんどしらないので、にほんごがあまりよめません)

省略語が使えるようになりたいと思います。(しょうりゃくごがつかえるっようになりたいとおもいます)

 



Norris2k said:
Platina said:
わたしのにほんごがじょうずじゃない

すこしかんじをおぼえるから、よくよまない

ショートフォームがじょうずになりたい

Will definitely need help with sentence correcting so hopefully somebody can help me out in this thread!

My version, not sure what you are meaning by ショートフォーム, I translate from short form. It's far from perfect, but it's quite hard  to translate simple sentences without context when not used to.

日本語が下手です。(にほんごがへたです)

漢字はほとんど知らないので、日本語があまり読めません。(かんじはほとんどしらないので、にほんごがあまりよめません)

省略語が使えるようになりたいと思います。(しょうりゃくごがつかえるっようになりたいとおもいます)

 

Maybe へた would be better than じょうずじゃない but doesn't へた imply that you are awful at it?

Haven't learned ほとんど but is probably better than すこし.  Totally forgot about あまり, makes a lot more sense..

As for the last one, Short forms is the 'informal' conjugations よみません > よまない , たべます > たべる.. so I was trying to write all my sentences into short/informal speech (with particles though).
I wanted to say  "I want to get better at Short Forms" so is the とおもいます necessary?

Thanks for your help!



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Platina said:
Norris2k said:

My version, not sure what you are meaning by ショートフォーム, I translate from short form. It's far from perfect, but it's quite hard  to translate simple sentences without context when not used to.

日本語が下手です。(にほんごがへたです)

漢字はほとんど知らないので、日本語があまり読めません。(かんじはほとんどしらないので、にほんごがあまりよめません)

省略語が使えるようになりたいと思います。(しょうりゃくごがつかえるっようになりたいとおもいます)

 

Maybe へた would be better than じょうずじゃない but doesn't へた imply that you are awful at it?

Haven't learned ほとんど but is probably better than すこし.  Totally forgot about あまり, makes a lot more sense..

As for the last one, Short forms is the 'informal' conjugations よみません > よまない , たべます > たべる.. so I was trying to write all my sentences into short/informal speech (with particles though).
I wanted to say  "I want to get better at Short Forms" so is the とおもいます necessary?

Thanks for your help!

Strictly speaking, へた means you are unskilful, clumsy, so yeah kind of awful... but in this context, the idea is to put yourself down to show you are humble, but still, you keep trying. I would say about myself 日本語がまだまだですが ("not good enough by far"),  which is a lot lower than my current level.

For short term, I thought about another meaning. 省略語 is about shortening sentences and words, which is extremely important in Japan. You don't say "go to work", "inside the car", "nuclear power plant" there are are words for it (出勤、車内、原発). For me that's what makes Japanese so difficult. You can't really ouptut based on logical thinking, or get used, you really need to learn a massive amount of vocabulary.
So, とおもいます is a little bit formal and inappropriate for your meaning. Still it's a very usual pattern, it's similar to saying "I'd like" rather than "I want", it's softening. In most languages I know of, especially Japanese, politness can be a mark of distance or reserve, but also a mark of respect (which is also some other sort of distance), including the respect of other thinking, that's why it's softening.
Anyway, you mean informal. Strange thing again, たべる is the dictionary form, that does not include politness. That's why it's casual, but also why newspapers are written in dictionary form. Because there are not adressed to someone, it would not make sense to use a polite form.

So, I'd say カジュアルで生きた日本語で話なすようになりたいな (かじゅあるでいきたにほんごではなすようになりたいな)Prepare to make a strong impact with this sentence lol 生きた日本語 means natural Japanese. ようになる means to become able to. Perhaps it's a little bit formal, but I can't think about a better way to say it.



I've been thinking about taking Japanese again. It really is a great language to learn, albeit a difficult one as well for people who didn't grow up knowing an Asian language. But I'm taking a Japanese culture course this semester and it's really been making me want to take Japanese again XD