We've still got people asking if it means sold to customers or suggesting Sony might be lying? The only time you should worry about Sony is if they start comparing sales to a movie release or tell you how many people have logged into PSN.
The PS5 Exists.
| ZhugeEX said:
Sony report both. They have sold in 29.3 million as of September 30th 2015 as they mentioned in their earnings release. This 30.2 milion is a sold through number as of November 22nd and includes consoles sold at retail to end users. |
There is a bit of a weird thing going on here.
They reported 29.3M "shipped" in their earnings release - or did they report 29.3M sell-in? (Usually companies always reported shipped=manufactured numbers unitl now).
If the 29.3M number was indeed shipped, then there is NO WAY Sony could have sold through 30.2M units by November 22nd. If that were true, then ALL the consoles on ships trundling to their destinations had been moved to retailers. In addition, 900k units of the new quarter shipment (which weren't on ships until November) would also have had to arrive in shops before Nov 22nd and hd to be sold. As it usually takes around 8 weeks to ship "stuff", that would mean all consoles were/are now air transported which I find kind of very unlikely.
If I wanted to "believe" the 30.2M number, this would mean Sony manufactured WAY more than 29.3M units by end of last quarter. And hid the real number in the inventory column of the earnings report (that column does show a remarkable increase). Why they would do that - maybe to piss off MS with exactly such a depressing statement?
Or maybe that 30.2M sell-through is an estimate by Sony using a few known numbers like MediaCreate for Japan, NPD for USA and some Eurotracked countries and then linearly exrapolated all over the globe, assuming sales patterns were equal everywhere untracked.
| GribbleGrunger said: We've still got people asking if it means sold to customers or suggesting Sony might be lying? The only time you should worry about Sony is if they start comparing sales to a movie release or tell you how many people have logged into PSN. |
there will always be those that will downplay or flat out just hate on the achievement Sony has managed thus far.
By the end of next year the PS4 will have sold well over 50M consoles. in just 3yrs. and in its 4th it would be pushing closer to 70M.
I find it really funny the lenght some people will go to still downplay all that. Well at least the smarter ones have just completely avoided this thread lol.
| Intrinsic said: there will always be those that will downplay or flat out just hate on the achievement Sony has managed thus far. By the end of next year the PS4 will have sold well over 50M consoles. in just 3yrs. and in its 4th it would be pushing closer to 70M. I find it really funny the lenght some people will go to still downplay all that. Well at least the smarter ones have just completely avoided this thread lol. |
On one hand we have people trying deflate the PS4 figures and on the other hand we have people trying to inflate the XB1 games figures. I don't think it can be any more transparent than that.
The PS5 Exists.
drkohler said:
There is a bit of a weird thing going on here. They reported 29.3M "shipped" in their earnings release - or did they report 29.3M sell-in? (Usually companies always reported shipped=manufactured numbers unitl now). If the 29.3M number was indeed shipped, then there is NO WAY Sony could have sold through 30.2M units by November 22nd. If that were true, then ALL the consoles on ships trundling to their destinations had been moved to retailers. In addition, 900k units of the new quarter shipment (which weren't on ships until November) would also have had to arrive in shops before Nov 22nd and hd to be sold. As it usually takes around 8 weeks to ship "stuff", that would mean all consoles were/are now air transported which I find kind of very unlikely. If I wanted to "believe" the 30.2M number, this would mean Sony manufactured WAY more than 29.3M units by end of last quarter. And hid the real number in the inventory column of the earnings report (that column does show a remarkable increase). Why they would do that - maybe to piss off MS with exactly such a depressing statement? Or maybe that 30.2M sell-through is an estimate by Sony using a few known numbers like MediaCreate for Japan, NPD for USA and some Eurotracked countries and then linearly exrapolated all over the globe, assuming sales patterns were equal everywhere untracked. |
WAT.
drkohler said:
There is a bit of a weird thing going on here. They reported 29.3M "shipped" in their earnings release - or did they report 29.3M sell-in? (Usually companies always reported shipped=manufactured numbers unitl now). If the 29.3M number was indeed shipped, then there is NO WAY Sony could have sold through 30.2M units by November 22nd. If that were true, then ALL the consoles on ships trundling to their destinations had been moved to retailers. In addition, 900k units of the new quarter shipment (which weren't on ships until November) would also have had to arrive in shops before Nov 22nd and hd to be sold. As it usually takes around 8 weeks to ship "stuff", that would mean all consoles were/are now air transported which I find kind of very unlikely. If I wanted to "believe" the 30.2M number, this would mean Sony manufactured WAY more than 29.3M units by end of last quarter. And hid the real number in the inventory column of the earnings report (that column does show a remarkable increase). Why they would do that - maybe to piss off MS with exactly such a depressing statement? Or maybe that 30.2M sell-through is an estimate by Sony using a few known numbers like MediaCreate for Japan, NPD for USA and some Eurotracked countries and then linearly exrapolated all over the globe, assuming sales patterns were equal everywhere untracked. |
It could partly be attributable how they record their inventory: the BO3 and SW bundles launched in the first 2 weeks of November with massive preorders, so it's very reasonable that they manufacture in anticipation of that, BF, and Christmas.
| ZhugeEX said: WAT. |
Sorry - In my calculations I completely forgot there is a month called October...
So the 30.2M number could be ok - still difficult to ship though.
| GribbleGrunger said: We've still got people asking if it means sold to customers or suggesting Sony might be lying? The only time you should worry about Sony is if they start comparing sales to a movie release or tell you how many people have logged into PSN. |
Or use hardware sales to judge the success of a game to inflate the numbers.
drkohler said:
There is a bit of a weird thing going on here. They reported 29.3M "shipped" in their earnings release - or did they report 29.3M sell-in? (Usually companies always reported shipped=manufactured numbers unitl now). If the 29.3M number was indeed shipped, then there is NO WAY Sony could have sold through 30.2M units by November 22nd. If that were true, then ALL the consoles on ships trundling to their destinations had been moved to retailers. In addition, 900k units of the new quarter shipment (which weren't on ships until November) would also have had to arrive in shops before Nov 22nd and hd to be sold. As it usually takes around 8 weeks to ship "stuff", that would mean all consoles were/are now air transported which I find kind of very unlikely. If I wanted to "believe" the 30.2M number, this would mean Sony manufactured WAY more than 29.3M units by end of last quarter. And hid the real number in the inventory column of the earnings report (that column does show a remarkable increase). Why they would do that - maybe to piss off MS with exactly such a depressing statement? Or maybe that 30.2M sell-through is an estimate by Sony using a few known numbers like MediaCreate for Japan, NPD for USA and some Eurotracked countries and then linearly exrapolated all over the globe, assuming sales patterns were equal everywhere untracked. |
I honestly don't understand how you don't get what's happened even with your seemingly in depth analysis.
29.3 million were shipped as of the end of September. In October more shipmemts were made as is the case in November too.
The 30.2M figure is (IIRC) as of the 22nd of November.
That's over 8 weeks from the quarter ending September. don't know why you are over complicating things.
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