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Nautilus on 21 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nautilus said:

What?Tomb Raider isnt a survival horror game.By the looks of it, you didnt even bother to research about the game to post this.Tomb Raider is a action Adventure game,with some survival elements thrown in it.You are making zero sense now.And second, I said that i PERSONALLY like Tomb Raider better.Im not saying that it is critically better than Uncharted.It dosnt matter that it released 1 and half year after the last Uncharted.Its my opinion.And Uncharted formula is actually based on the original tomb raider games, in case you dont know.

And I said that I think Uncharted 4 will do better.Not that I think it will be a better game for me, but I think that critically Uncharted will do better.


Uncharted and Gears of War are more akin in formula than Tomb Raider. The only thing those two have in common is platforming with a similar theme. If you've played Uncharted you could easily tell this game was inspired by Resident Evil 4 (Vantage point), Winback & Killswitch (frantic coverbased shooting) along with Sony's well known flare for cinemeatics. Naughty Dog took what they learned from Naughty Dog with platform to combine with the other peoplel theyve learned from to turn Uncharted into a shooter where your enemy could be approached swiftly from above or below. The melee is based on button combinations.

P.S.

There is a reason why the old Tomb Raider style went dead is because Crystal Dynamics  couldnt get the core formula to resonate with most people. Naughty Dogs development style which can be seen between The Last of Us and Tomb Raider are quite striking. Tomb Raider is more like Uncharted than Uncharted was ever like Tomb Raider in the feel. As I said, theme and platforming and but Uncharted much like Gears of War had inspiration from elsewhere.

I still think that Uncharted was mostly based in Tomb Raider.Sure,i dont mean the entire game.Obviosly the gameplay is more similar to others, like Gears(and saying it is inspired in RE4 is kinda redundant, since every single modern third person shooter is based in RE4 vantage point to a certain degree)But if you are going to list where Uncharted inspired every single detail from, the list is going to be endless.New games always build from successes from past games, either by improving it or taking the core concept and changing it for the better(or worse).What i meant by UC being inspired by Tomb Raider is that the overall theme and idea of it comes from Tomb Raider.The platforming, the overall theme of the story and game(of a adventurous guy/girl goes on a quest to find a mystery, usually about a ancient civilization or having ties with out own history, and having some sort of supernatural phenomenon with it).And since the strong part of Uncharted is the story that is telling and its characters,the game that influenced it is also the most important.Just because the gameplay is obviously based in other games, dosnt mean that Uncharted is, in my view, heavily based around the ideas that Tomb Raider had.

And I personally dont think that gears and Uncharted are that similar.Gears is more of an action game, its more about the gameplay and the action scenes than everything else.Uncharted, while it has the same focus as gears on having great action moments, focuses more on its story, carachters and atmosphere.I may be wrong, since i just played a bit of the first Gears, but I still think they are very different.



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Normchacho on 21 November 2015

It is very unlikely that UN4 scores less than 90 on Metacritic, let alone less than 86.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 November 2015
Nautilus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Uncharted and Gears of War are more akin in formula than Tomb Raider. The only thing those two have in common is platforming with a similar theme. If you've played Uncharted you could easily tell this game was inspired by Resident Evil 4 (Vantage point), Winback & Killswitch (frantic coverbased shooting) along with Sony's well known flare for cinemeatics. Naughty Dog took what they learned from Naughty Dog with platform to combine with the other peoplel theyve learned from to turn Uncharted into a shooter where your enemy could be approached swiftly from above or below. The melee is based on button combinations.

P.S.

There is a reason why the old Tomb Raider style went dead is because Crystal Dynamics  couldnt get the core formula to resonate with most people. Naughty Dogs development style which can be seen between The Last of Us and Tomb Raider are quite striking. Tomb Raider is more like Uncharted than Uncharted was ever like Tomb Raider in the feel. As I said, theme and platforming and but Uncharted much like Gears of War had inspiration from elsewhere.

I still think that Uncharted was mostly based in Tomb Raider.Sure,i dont mean the entire game.Obviosly the gameplay is more similar to others, like Gears(and saying it is inspired in RE4 is kinda redundant, since every single modern third person shooter is based in RE4 vantage point to a certain degree)But if you are going to list where Uncharted inspired every single detail from, the list is going to be endless.New games always build from successes from past games, either by improving it or taking the core concept and changing it for the better(or worse).What i meant by UC being inspired by Tomb Raider is that the overall theme and idea of it comes from Tomb Raider.The platforming, the overall theme of the story and game(of a adventurous guy/girl goes on a quest to find a mystery, usually about a ancient civilization or having ties with out own history, and having some sort of supernatural phenomenon with it).And since the strong part of Uncharted is the story that is telling and its characters,the game that influenced it is also the most important.Just because the gameplay is obviously based in other games, dosnt mean that Uncharted is, in my view, heavily based around the ideas that Tomb Raider had.

And I personally dont think that gears and Uncharted are that similar.Gears is more of an action game, its more about the gameplay and the action scenes than everything else.Uncharted, while it has the same focus as gears on having great action moments, focuses more on its story, carachters and atmosphere.I may be wrong, since i just played a bit of the first Gears, but I still think they are very different.


The only difference in bechanics between Uncharted and Gears of War is verticality, evasion tactics (which in gears is closer to Tomb Raider with the rolls and flips) and style of melee (one is a quick death and the other is a sequence. Uncharteds cqc system is deeper). They are both coverbased action games based on cinematics, gritty close quarters movement. Many games hve been inspired by Gears and Uncharted this year, including the resurfacing of Tomb Raider....so Tomb Raider would not be the first. No different than God of War learned from Devil May Cry, set standards for the industry and then EA made two clones off of God of War in Dantes Inferno and Star Wars the Force Unleashed. 

FYI...Uncharted was originally supposed to be a fantasy RPG until Sony directed Naughty Dog to make a third person action/adventure shooter since Microsoft had their own TPS in the works (which at the time wasnt theirs but they were paying Epic for exclusivity by publishing it.)



CosmicSex on 21 November 2015

It is really unwise to bet against Naughty Dog (as a general rule). Do you realize that the Nathan Drake Collection has the same metacritic as Tomb Raider? The chances of your prediction coming true are practically zero.
Uncharted will have industry leading graphics, an incredible story, and some of the most polished gameplay and mechanics that have ever been put together. Its also the end of the series and they have already said that ending will be mind-blowing. This doesn't take away from Tomb Raider one bit, but one should still come to the conclusion that Uncharted 4 will be one of the best games ever made..



Nautilus on 21 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only difference in bechanics between Uncharted and Gears of War is verticality, platforming and style of melee (one is a quick death and the other is a sequence. Uncharteds cqc system is deeper). They are both coverbased action games based on cinematics, gritty close quarters movement. Many games hve been inspired by Gears and Uncharted this year, including the resurfacing of Tomb Raider....so Tomb Raider would not be the first. No different than God of War learned from Devil May Cry, set standards for the industry and then EA made two clones off of God of War in Dantes Inferno and Star Wars the Force Unleashed. 

FYI...Uncharted was originally supposed to be a fantasy RPG until Sony directed Naughty Dog to make a third person action/adventure shooter since Microsoft had their own TPS in the works (which at the time wasnt theirs but they were paying Epic for exclusivity by publishing it.)

Im not saying that the reboot of Tomb Raider is not based on Uncharted.It certanly is.Sure, it has its own things, like more versatility in combat, due to being able to carry different weapons, the exploration and higher focus on puzzles(outside of the "story path"), but all in all, you can see the influence that Uncharted had in the reboot.But that dosent change the fact that Uncharted borrowed alot elements, and general ideas, off from the originals Tomb Raiders, not the reboot ones.And the fact that Uncharted was supposed to be a fantasy RPG is irrelevant to this discution on to wheter a game was influential to it or not, since Uncharted is nowhere close to being a fantasy RPG.

And you forgot to mention a great difference between Gears and Uncharted:The story.Again, not played all of the gears games, but as far as i know, Gears story isnt that remarkable, and i dont hear people praising gears for its story.Uncharted, in other hand, is heavily regarded not only because it has a solid gameplay, but mostly because of its story, setting and cast of characters.And that is a huge difference between the two.

Nowadays, its almost impossible to say a game is fully original.Everyone borrows ideas pre stabilished from past games and franchises.And that includes Uncharted and obviously the reboot of Tomb Raider.The only example that i can think of now of a (almost) completely original game in recent years is minecraft.There is no shame saying your game is based on past successes.



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GribbleGrunger on 21 November 2015

I've been avoiding Tombraider vids because I'll be getting it late next year, so I can't really make a comparison. Graphically, of course UC4 beats Tombraider. You'd have to be insane to question that but as far as gameplay goes, has Tombraider got anything to match these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB0xy74Zrj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2cL-pp6p8



 

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d21lewis on 21 November 2015

We're going a little off topic but I urge anybody to play the first level of Tomb Raider Legend. Then play Drake's Fortune. The similarities are crazy.



Azuren on 21 November 2015

UC4 is gonna wreck RotTR.



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Frazzles on 21 November 2015

Hmmm,

I've played The Last of Us and even the Uncharted collection briefly and think you are likely to be wrong. I applaud that gamblers instinct though.

I would love to compare and may come back to you in 12 months time... no I won't. (no offense intended to you here)

 



d21lewis on 21 November 2015
Frazzles said:

Hmmm,

I've played The Last of Us and even the Uncharted collection briefly and think you are likely to be wrong. I applaud that gamblers instinct though.

I would love to compare and may come back to you in 12 months time... no I won't. (no offense intended to you here)

 


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