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Forums - Politics Discussion - How Will the Terrorist Attacks in Paris Impact the Refugee Crisis?

Politicians don't care about the people they serve. This will not impact the refugee intake at all. They would rather their people die than do that. Most of the perpetrators might not have been refugees but they were still radicalised Muslims. Now, how many of those Syrians are already radicals? How many will actually assimilate into the western culture?



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SuaveSocialist said:
Poliwrathlord said:

Muslims cannot adapt with western/European culture. Their religion and and our way of life aren't compatible.

 

EDIT: I'm sorry I think I might've misread your comment. Did you say that European nations will adapt to the Muslims? If that is the case then Europe will no longer be Europe.

On the subject of adapting, I was actually referring to security policies, response protocol to threats and initiatives to prevent or help reverse radicalization.  I really don't see how this would make Europe no longer Europe.  Maybe you meant by tolerating Muslims Europe would not be Europe?  Nah, that makes even less sense--you must have meant something else.

As for your first sentence, your statement and reality aren't compatible.  There are over 44 million Muslims in Europe and--apart from an insignificant fraction of that number--they are living out their lives peacefully, not causing problems for anyone.  The reality is that over tens of millions of millions of Muslims have long since integrated with Western/European culture (they've actually been in Europe for over a thousand years) in such a manner that is compatibile with our way of life.  

I really don't know what you're talking about there.


Western European countries have less than 5% of a Muslim population, with France being the highest, which would explain why they're so easily targeted. I can't imagine what will happen in the other countries when the Muslim population percentage increases.



hershel_layton said:
It'll let more ugly-ass xenophobic Americans throw crosses on people as they deem islam as a violent religion, but not christianity. It'll also help them create more propaganda to the situation, helping them spread their cults.

I don't care if I get banned for flaming, because this happens all the time. Americans are quick to attack islam, but when something involving christianity happens, they always lie and use propaganda.

I call BS, but who cares? Americans don't appreciate logic. They prefer their stupid opinions.


Could you give some examples on how Christianity is violent?



I'm sorry but refugees look sick and downtrodden and are mainly women, children and the elderly. These "refugees" are from it and the lies need to stop. Europe needs to sack up and say we are not being racist we are protecting our innocent people.



I started to type but then I ended up regurgitating the same things I said in another thread so I am just gonna copy/paste that:

Apparently, the rest of Europe can tell the difference between a 'family fleeing ISIS' and a group of Islamic terrorists disguised as 'a family fleeing ISIS'.

I am sorry if I am coming off as insensitive bastard, but you know what, apparently there is no right time for what I am going to say so I am just going to say it. Europe doesn't want the kind of cultural diversity that's gonna result from taking in all these refugees.

Even if we assumed we had fool-proof methods to filter out ISIS members, allowing all the immigrants in would still be a mistake. They are victims, yes. But they are still the same Muslims that live in countries where Muslims oppress each other just because they have different opinions, they are the same Muslims that were totally fine with throwing homosexuals off high buildings even before ISIS took over, they are the same Muslims that believe apostasy is rewarded with a death sentence. They are the same Muslims that are extremely sensitive to any sort of criticism and are willing to protest in millions if you dare painting their porfit in a negative light, . They will set us back 1000 years. They are victims now, but what happens when they settle in and become a rapidly increasing minority.

And please, no one quotes me to tell me that I am wrong and generalizing. Look up how Shiite were treated in Iraq during the Saddam era, look up how Sunnis were treated when the balance of power shifted, and now we have the Sunni ISIS, and that's still super fresh in our minds, you think they are bad? Read about the Hama massacre committed against Sunnis by Shiite. Read about the daily discrimination against Shiite in Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries. Look up what happened in Bahrain during the Arab spring. This extreme intolerance is regular and normal in the Middle East countires, and I don't want to risk seeing it in Europe. You think kindness will change people? Think again, Muslims are very serious about Islam. Read about the calls for sharia law in UK by Muslims who grew up there and reaped the benefits of secularism growing up.

Read about the true discrimination against homosexuals. Watch this for yourself, the brutal event took place in Morocco. Moroccans are widly open-minded compared to Muslims in Saudi Arabia for example, don't stop there please, read for yourself about homosexuality in all Islamic countries. No generalizations here.

Non of this means that I don't want Europeans to help. Sure, help them, relocate them to the rich Arabic countries where they speak their language and where their potential intolerance fits, give them financial help too. But Gulf Arabic countries won't take them. You know why? Because they are fully aware of the potential consequences, and they can't filter out the Shiite or Kurds or any refugee they don't want. Yet, Europeans countries who refuse to "help" are being frowned upon.

The European kindness is too naive to comprehend. 

It's utterly ridiculous how the Arabic gulf countries are investing so much money fueling the war yet they are the least one involved in the refugee crisis.



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Poliwrathlord said:
hershel_layton said:
It'll let more ugly-ass xenophobic Americans throw crosses on people as they deem islam as a violent religion, but not christianity. It'll also help them create more propaganda to the situation, helping them spread their cults.

I don't care if I get banned for flaming, because this happens all the time. Americans are quick to attack islam, but when something involving christianity happens, they always lie and use propaganda.

I call BS, but who cares? Americans don't appreciate logic. They prefer their stupid opinions.


Could you give some examples on how Christianity is violent?

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)

 

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)

 

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

 

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)

 

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

 

All of this found from the Bible. I've even copied it exactly the way it is, so that I won't be accussed of cherry picking ;) 

 



 

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hershel_layton said:

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)

 

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)

 

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

 

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)

 

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

 

All of this found from the Bible. I've even copied it exactly the way it is, so that I won't be accussed of cherry picking ;) 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are from the Old Testament, a book that Christians read for historical purposes, rather than what they get their laws from. Christians believe in the golden rule (do to others as you would have them do to you), not the laws in the Old Testament, or they would be Jewish.

And besides, I asked how Christianity is violent, not how it was. Have you heard of christians doing this in modern times? Christianity changed from what it was in the Dark Ages, and evolved, and that is something that Islam has not done, but desperately needs to do.



Poliwrathlord said:
hershel_layton said:

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)

 

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)

 

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)

 

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)

 

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)

 

All of this found from the Bible. I've even copied it exactly the way it is, so that I won't be accussed of cherry picking ;) 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are from the Old Testament, a book that Christians read for historical purposes, rather than what they get their laws from. Christians believe in the golden rule (do to others as you would have them do to you), not the laws in the Old Testament, or they would be Jewish.

And besides, I asked how Christianity is violent, not how it was. Have you heard of christians doing this in modern times? Christianity changed from what it was in the Dark Ages, and evolved, and that is something that Islam has not done, but desperately needs to do.


So...basically Christians ignore the book they're  meant to follow? The New testament is like the sequel to the old testament. One alone won't work without the other.

 

The old testament show's god's wrath towards sin(with some mercy), while the new testament shows His grace towards sin. Either way, it is a part of Christianity.

 

Also, many Christians are as xenophobic as the religious Islamic nuts. But you know what's the difference?

 

Let's take Ted Cruz for example. He thinks atheists shouldn't be president(only theists), and that abortions shouldn't be allowed. Why? Because of his beliefs.

Now, if you ask a reasonable Christian, they'll go ahead and say this isn't what a Christian should be.

 

Now, let us take ISIS. They do their regular schedule of raping and whatnot, and you see a PLETHORA of Muslims going out of their way to help people realize many Muslims can change, and have learned to accept other people's opinions. But guess what? Once that happens, people have to be jerks and say things such as "well the real islam says they are muslim" and so forth.

 

I mean, FUCK YOU(not to you, but to the people I'm talkin about). Do you want them to reform or not, because that's EXACTLY what they want to do. But once they try, people pull out the ''no true scottsman" card and make it impossible for muslims in this era to be accepted by people.

 

By people's logic, true Christians should kill me for not accepting anyone's cult. But no, they(as well as most religions) have had moderates create a no-violence version of their religion. Difference is, people don't care when it comes to Islam.

 

Christians are cool people. if you are one, I don't care at all! I'm fine! I care on whether you're a nice guy or not, and your taste. You apparently like pokemon, so it makes me like you more! Your religious beliefs don't make me hate you or love you any more!

Muslims are awesome folks as well. I live in a state with the most somalians in the whole country(2nd most in world)-it's Minnesota. I see moderates all the time trying to stop violence in the name of their god, but people never listen. Not sure why people can't realize there's already a regroup of Islam, but that's the world I suppose.

 

Religion will kill to the point of extinction.



 

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The difference is that Christians aren't killing people in Paris.



Poliwrathlord said:
Baryonyx said:

I served in Iraq. 

Not entire Syria is a dangerous place, only the war zones in Syria. 

Iraq and Afghanistan refugee's have been coming for years. So why are thousands of refugee's assaulting cities, breaking into people's homes and terrorize people every damn City they passed on their way to Europe... Do you know how many countries there are in the middle-east that isn't in a war? A real refugee would be grateful enough to end up somewhere nice but yet they aim for germany, sweden, Norway and Finland after ignoring over 15 countries that offered them safety. I say you should start looking deeper into it. 

 

There is plenty of videos of these refugee's running through cities, attacking people and so on. The real refugee's are the ones you see with families, because why leave them behind?

 

Would you leave your Brother, sister or children in a place so horrible as you claim? I wouldn't.

Again, it's dangerous in the war zones, but its not as esculated in Syria as you claim it is. It's like you claim it's horrible all over Syria. 

 

USA better stop funding ISIS so that we can send them back 

Thank you for your service.

Yep I agree. Probably 30% of the "refugees" are acutally families fleeing war. Most of them are young men who are seeking a better life in economically sound countries, full of benefits like Sweden, Denmark and Germany which would make them immigrants. And as you said, most of them are ungrateful and steal from the Europeans who are kind enough to welcome them in with open arms.

Finally someone who sees the situation as it is! 
From my experience is that there are a lot of bad, mislead people in the Middle-east, but there are a lot of good and warm people as well, the problem is that we can't see the difference in eyesight. But i feel we should close the borders and make families with children a priority. 
as soon as someone shows signs that they aren't running away from war, send them out because they doesn't have a good enough reason to stay. 

These 200.000 males could have taken ISIS on their own if they wanted, i don't want people in my country who abandon their families for wealth, there is enough sociopath's here already





 

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