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ohmylanta1003 on 23 September 2015
generic-user-1 said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

You're posts are some of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. No one in the entire fucking world is asking Blizzard to COMPLETELY ELIMINATE MACRO. That's where most of the strategy of the Real Time Strategy game takes place and the top players in the world have plenty of APM to micro their units in the stupid crowd pleasing way you keep talking about. Whatever the case, I don't know where you're getting this bullshit information that Koreans want macro removed from the game, but you and I both know that that simply isn't true. Don't make shit up please. Come with valid points to an argument instead of trying to defend everything you say with "that's what the Koreans want". Uh. No they fucking don't. Anyway, if you don't like or can't macro, please stop posting in this thread, because StarCraft will NEVER eliminate macro and that's a damn fact.


you guys should get your language right... the changes arent about macro, they are abot removing(or not removing) micro heavy macro parts, aka the stupid parts that make the game slower because you have to pay more attention to your production(aka base). that takes away attention from the enemy, and makes player less aggressiv. 

a game without those micro elements inside the "base" is BETTER,  because it swifts the gameplay more to pvp interactions and away from farmville in space.  there isnt much skill involved inside those basemicro elements.  

and those elements take away win chances from macro heavy playstyles.


He needs to get his language right. I know exactly what we are talking about and am responding based on the language he is using. You also need to get your language right. There is no such thing micro heavy macro. There is macro, micro, and macro mechanics, which is what this entire topic is about. However, I legitimately think that the guy I keep on responding to actually wants all or most of macro gone from StarCraft. If he would like to talk about macro mechanics, which is what everyone in the StarCraft community is talking about, he should say so. Until then, I'm going to assume he's talking about macro as a whole.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

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generic-user-1 on 23 September 2015
ohmylanta1003 said:
generic-user-1 said:


you guys should get your language right... the changes arent about macro, they are abot removing(or not removing) micro heavy macro parts, aka the stupid parts that make the game slower because you have to pay more attention to your production(aka base). that takes away attention from the enemy, and makes player less aggressiv. 

a game without those micro elements inside the "base" is BETTER,  because it swifts the gameplay more to pvp interactions and away from farmville in space.  there isnt much skill involved inside those basemicro elements.  

and those elements take away win chances from macro heavy playstyles.


He needs to get his language right. I know exactly what we are talking about and am responding based on the language he is using. You also need to get your language right. There is no such thing micro heavy macro. There is macro, micro, and macro mechanics, which is what this entire topic is about. However, I legitimately think that the guy I keep on responding to actually wants all or most of macro gone from StarCraft. If he would like to talk about macro mechanics, which is what everyone in the StarCraft community is talking about, he should say so. Until then, I'm going to assume he's talking about macro as a whole.

what the difference between macro mechanics and micro? they made they  gave us stupid micro elements inside the macro, thats what we are talikng about, clicking every 30 s on a button has nothing to do with real macro.

and i dont think he is talking about makeing SC2 into a RTT...



ohmylanta1003 on 23 September 2015
generic-user-1 said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
generic-user-1 said:


you guys should get your language right... the changes arent about macro, they are abot removing(or not removing) micro heavy macro parts, aka the stupid parts that make the game slower because you have to pay more attention to your production(aka base). that takes away attention from the enemy, and makes player less aggressiv. 

a game without those micro elements inside the "base" is BETTER,  because it swifts the gameplay more to pvp interactions and away from farmville in space.  there isnt much skill involved inside those basemicro elements.  

and those elements take away win chances from macro heavy playstyles.


He needs to get his language right. I know exactly what we are talking about and am responding based on the language he is using. You also need to get your language right. There is no such thing micro heavy macro. There is macro, micro, and macro mechanics, which is what this entire topic is about. However, I legitimately think that the guy I keep on responding to actually wants all or most of macro gone from StarCraft. If he would like to talk about macro mechanics, which is what everyone in the StarCraft community is talking about, he should say so. Until then, I'm going to assume he's talking about macro as a whole.

what the difference between macro mechanics and micro? they made they  gave us stupid micro elements inside the macro, thats what we are talikng about, clicking every 30 s on a button has nothing to do with real macro.

and i dont think he is talking about makeing SC2 into a RTT...


Micro is the control of units. Macro mechanics are injects, mules, and chrono. That's the 30 second thing you're talking about.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

Kagerow on 23 September 2015

Very well. I concede. I don't seems to have enough language skill nor knowledge about current meta to communicate and you don't seems to be interested in attempt to converse with me.

Source for mentioning that Korean players are interested in Chrono Boost, Mule, and Injection removal is below.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/18704214130 (Blizzard Community Feedback Update August 28.)
https://www.playxp.com/sc2/lotv/list.php?sub=sc2.lotv (Responses from post 153, 163, 165. Beware that post 16~ quickly becomes toxic.)

DCInside SCII Gallery opinion consist of either removing Injection only, or removing Chrono Boost and Mule and leaving Injection in. You need to scroll back until post from sept 17~19 is found. Beware as most of the post is either toxic or 'something' that I can't really explain with words I know.

Less toxic responses are mostly from non SC2 community, like Ruliweb. Not enough sources, I know. But most of the communities that I went to disbanded during Wings of Liberty, so I can't exactly find better sources for their opinion.

Apparently nine progamer and two commentator (Stork, Solar, Dear, Rogue, Cure, sKyHigh, MMA, Crank, and First with commentator Gisado and Ryu Daehyun) went to Blizzard HQ for a feedback, and one of the request made was complete removal of Mule, Chrono Boost, and Injection. I'm currently looking for a credible news media coverage as a source.



Scisca on 23 September 2015
Kagerow said:

Apparently nine progamer and two commentator (Stork, Solar, Dear, Rogue, Cure, sKyHigh, MMA, Crank, and First with commentator Gisado and Ryu Daehyun) went to Blizzard HQ for a feedback, and one of the request made was complete removal of Mule, Chrono Boost, and Injection. I'm currently looking for a credible news media coverage as a source.


I love MMA, but until Bisu says he'll return if those 3 are removed, I'm not changing my mind ;)

 

BTW. If injects are too much macro there is one solution for you - play Toss :D :D :D

<runs for the hills!!>



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Nettles on 24 September 2015

If you don't like macro there's always Warcraft 3? Or just do what i did and play the customs on SC2.



XanderXT on 28 September 2015
Ruler said:
XanderXT said:
Ruler said:

This is why i dont buy blizzard games anymore and dont play starcraft. Blizz doesnt even know what they want, the constant changes and why we even needed 3 starcraft 2s in the first place? it seperated the community, sc2 is pretty much dead now.

I much rather play bloodnorne over diablo 3 or starcraft 2 both broken games

What does Bloodbourne have to do with this? Oh right, nothing, you just wanted to mention it for no reason.

Its actually comperable to diablo like the chalice dungeons which is the same concept like diablo

Chalice dungeons? There are way more games that are comparable to Bloodbourne more than just a dungeon.