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In other news it been revealed that Kim Jun Un is a majority shareholder in Konami with a controlling interest.



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AZWification said:
Ruler said:
i think we also partly to be blamed, if we dont buy their games thats what can happening

What worthwile games has Konami published lately?


Yu gi oh



the_dengle said:
haxxiy said:

It's like you're stuck before the universal declaration of human rights or something. That's human dignity, not to be subjected to humiliation, objectification, degradation, dehumanization etc.

It's hardly dehumanization. "X and Y, please be punctual when returning from your lunch break." Would you give a shit if your boss said that about a couple of people you work with? Would you point and laugh at them? No, you would just go about your day. They might feel embarrassed for like 3 seconds. Calling this a human rights issue is just overdramatic.


It actually is a rights issue as if I did the same with any of the team I'm in charge of at my work place and began humiliating them I can actually be done by the law for forms of harassment and bullying, an announcement over the speakers can be classed as excessive no matter what you say as not everyone wants such issues out in the open and under law they have a right to keep it that way. It's not as minor an issue as you make it seem as if someone takes legal action the are suddenly an entire building of people who can confirm the allegations, the law doesn't care about you saying "But it happens here or there..." they only focus on the issue in front of them.

This is why such issues as lateness and such are done in a 1 to 1 calling to individual to speak with them privately or issue them a private notice.



Wyrdness said:

It actually is a rights issue as if I did the same with any of the team I'm in charge of at my work place and began humiliating them I can actually be done by the law for forms of harassment and bullying, an announcement over the speakers can be classed as excessive no matter what you say as not everyone wants such issues out in the open and under law they have a right to keep it that way. It's not as minor an issue as you make it seem as if someone takes legal action the are suddenly an entire building of people who can confirm the allegations, the law doesn't care about you saying "But it happens here or there..." they only focus on the issue in front of them.

This is why such issues as lateness and such are done in a 1 to 1 calling to individual to speak with them privately or issue them a private notice.

But this report doesn't say anything about speakers or humiliation. It says the names are "announced." Could be in a memo. Could be posted on a bulletin board. Could simply be mentioned off-hand at general meetings. There's no indication here that some kind of dramatic "humiliation" takes place, only that their names are mentioned.

It's a little weird. It might be uncomfortable. But it doesn't make Konami some kind of super-evil megacorp, and it is easily avoided by being on time. Any company would be well within their rights to enact more severe punishment than a little embarrassment upon a tardy employee.



the_dengle said:

But this report doesn't say anything about speakers or humiliation. It says the names are "announced." Could be in a memo. Could be posted on a bulletin board. Could simply be mentioned off-hand at general meetings. There's no indication here that some kind of dramatic "humiliation" takes place, only that their names are mentioned.

It's a little weird. It might be uncomfortable. But it doesn't make Konami some kind of super-evil megacorp, and it is easily avoided by being on time. Any company would be well within their rights to enact more severe punishment than a little embarrassment upon a tardy employee.


Displaying their names on a bulletin board or memo or even announcing it to everyone over such a matter can also net you in trouble believe me the law doesn't allow for much room in regards to views that it maybe uncomfortable or what not because every person is different, some may not care while others maybe impacted emotionally and feel humiliated, if you circulate a memo you only provide evidence of such, the article says their names are announced through out the company which would be a big issue no matter how it is done. This is why it's kept private in the manner I mentioned previously as not only is that the most professional manner it reduces the risk of things like humiliation and such to a minimum, whether the person is tardy or not they're still a person with rights and that's all the law cares about.



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Wyrdness said:

Displaying their names on a bulletin board or memo or even announcing it to everyone over such a matter can also net you in trouble believe me the law doesn't allow for much room in regards to views that it maybe uncomfortable or what not because every person is different, some may not care while others maybe impacted emotionally and feel humiliated, if you circulate a memo you only provide evidence of such, the article says their names are announced through out the company which would be a big issue no matter how it is done. This is why it's kept private in the manner I mentioned previously as not only is that the most professional manner it reduces the risk of things like humiliation and such to a minimum, whether the person is tardy or not they're still a person with rights and that's all the law cares about.

Okay. Let's approach this from another angle. Konami has over 5,000 employees. If they are doing something illegal to these employees loudly and regularly, why hasn't legal action already been taken?



the_dengle said:

Okay. Let's approach this from another angle. Konami has over 5,000 employees. If they are doing something illegal to these employees loudly and regularly, why hasn't legal action already been taken?


What's to say no legal action has already happened or been resolved by both parties, you think big companies want lawsuits out in the open, a lot of the time these things happen quietly or are settled out of court.



Wyrdness said:

What's to say no legal action has already happened or been resolved by both parties, you think big companies want lawsuits out in the open, a lot of the time these things happen quietly or are settled out of court.

Uh, one would think part of the settlement would require Konami to stop doing the thing they were sued for doing, right? Why would they be doing this if it was directly costing them money? Why would they do it if they knew it was downright illegal and had already been prosecuted for it?

This report is vague and unsubstantiated. It's more likely the report itself is false than that Konami is somehow getting away with such illegal activities or continuing to use illegal practices despite being sued for them.

I'll settle for something in the middle: the report is true, but the internet is blowing it out of proportion, it isn't as bad as people are making it sound, it certainly isn't illegal.



Wyrdness said:
the_dengle said:

But this report doesn't say anything about speakers or humiliation. It says the names are "announced." Could be in a memo. Could be posted on a bulletin board. Could simply be mentioned off-hand at general meetings. There's no indication here that some kind of dramatic "humiliation" takes place, only that their names are mentioned.

It's a little weird. It might be uncomfortable. But it doesn't make Konami some kind of super-evil megacorp, and it is easily avoided by being on time. Any company would be well within their rights to enact more severe punishment than a little embarrassment upon a tardy employee.


Displaying their names on a bulletin board or memo or even announcing it to everyone over such a matter can also net you in trouble believe me the law doesn't allow for much room in regards to views that it maybe uncomfortable or what not because every person is different, some may not care while others maybe impacted emotionally and feel humiliated, if you circulate a memo you only provide evidence of such, the article says their names are announced through out the company which would be a big issue no matter how it is done. This is why it's kept private in the manner I mentioned previously as not only is that the most professional manner it reduces the risk of things like humiliation and such to a minimum, whether the person is tardy or not they're still a person with rights and that's all the law cares about.

Sales companies around the world openly display individual sales figures.

Call centers around the world openly display individual customer service ratings.

At my time at Wells Fargo, a weekly team conference call told you how many bank accounts you assisted in opening.    

Maybe the laws you speak of don't apply in right-to-work states or other such laws that benefit the employer.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:

In any western company, the relocated people would have been fired on the spot with any market shift.

And those lunch and camera's uses are normal. I work on a Service Desk and have exactly 30 minutes for lunch each day. And there are also camera's to monitor the entrance.

Konami is moving to Mobile outside that they don't do anything else then most companies. Even going Mobile is normal for Japanese gaming companies :p.

If the studio is in the US (which most do), yes. Otherwise, unions won't allow this to happen that easely.

The Lunchtime and cameras are nothing unusual, that I agree. Announcing the names of everyone who is late through loudspeakers through the company, however, ain't.