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Imagine how bad it's gonna get when they start hacking "self driving cars".Sure they can try to patch it but the hackers will always work around.



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Teeqoz said:
Imo, everything that has to do with the actual controlling of the car (steering, speed, brakes, gearing, anything I'm missing?) should be in a closed system, ie. not connected to the internet or anything connected to the internet. Actually, not connected to anything that can receive signals of any kind.


yeah, i completely agree.  i make a product that services the power industry and the NERT regulations are strong,..  all operations equipment must be on a local intranet completely disconnected from the internet and all data stores must pass though a data diode before leaving the premisis.   ..but it makes sense.  last thing in there world i want is some hacker evacuating the reactor coolant on a nuke plant.

cars should have the same regulations.



ganoncrotch said:
beeje13 said:
You can keep your self driving cars, I like driving.

And why does this vehicle have wireless access to it's control systems?


could be for something as innocent as updating maps in the gps system which need to be kept up to date so that new roads or old roads can be added/removed, what they said in the video is they used their exploit to get into the system then move laterally around to see what systems are linked together to send them commands, just down to shoddy programming basically.

There are other reasons to have a internet connection: to check traffic conditions and weather prediction.

For example. let's say that you leave work on one of those self driving cars, and there are 3 routes to go back home. The car connects to the net and finds that there's a traffic jam on the first route and that a storm is comming, making route two more dangerous (because of floodable parts of the road, for example), leaving route three as the best option.



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Car hacking has been around for a long time?



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JEMC said:
ganoncrotch said:
beeje13 said:
You can keep your self driving cars, I like driving.

And why does this vehicle have wireless access to it's control systems?


could be for something as innocent as updating maps in the gps system which need to be kept up to date so that new roads or old roads can be added/removed, what they said in the video is they used their exploit to get into the system then move laterally around to see what systems are linked together to send them commands, just down to shoddy programming basically.

There are other reasons to have a internet connection: to check traffic conditions and weather prediction.

For example. let's say that you leave work on one of those self driving cars, and there are 3 routes to go back home. The car connects to the net and finds that there's a traffic jam on the first route and that a storm is comming, making route two more dangerous (because of floodable parts of the road, for example), leaving route three as the best option.


That shouldn't be handled by TCP tho, if they just set up transmissions of information to go 1 way and not set up a connection to the cars then the GPS could simply tune into the broadcasts coming out and never reply with information about the car back to the sender, that was what these guys exploited.

Think of it like this you can have interference come in to your car stereos radio signal, but the car radio will never be able to broadcast back an acknowledgement to the interference to give the interfering channel information regarding what car stereo it has managed to interfere with and in these guys case information about the complete car OS they're communicating with.



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ganoncrotch said:
JEMC said:
ganoncrotch said:
beeje13 said:
You can keep your self driving cars, I like driving.

And why does this vehicle have wireless access to it's control systems?


could be for something as innocent as updating maps in the gps system which need to be kept up to date so that new roads or old roads can be added/removed, what they said in the video is they used their exploit to get into the system then move laterally around to see what systems are linked together to send them commands, just down to shoddy programming basically.

There are other reasons to have a internet connection: to check traffic conditions and weather prediction.

For example. let's say that you leave work on one of those self driving cars, and there are 3 routes to go back home. The car connects to the net and finds that there's a traffic jam on the first route and that a storm is comming, making route two more dangerous (because of floodable parts of the road, for example), leaving route three as the best option.


That shouldn't be handled by TCP tho, if they just set up transmissions of information to go 1 way and not set up a connection to the cars then the GPS could simply tune into the broadcasts coming out and never reply with information about the car back to the sender, that was what these guys exploited.

Think of it like this you can have interference come in to your car stereos radio signal, but the car radio will never be able to broadcast back an acknowledgement to the interference to give the interfering channel information regarding what car stereo it has managed to interfere with and in these guys case information about the complete car OS they're communicating with.

Hopefully they will now make the signals to only go one way, and find a way to identify and block unwanted signals.



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The only way to protect from this is by not having a computer connected to the driving system at all. You could also get pretty far if the driving computer was totally separate from the other computer, and didn't have an outside connection.

Things get hacked, there's no way around it.



Fiat Chrysler U.S. to recall vehicles to prevent hacking

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/fiat-chrysler-recall-idUSL1N1041QI20150724

Fiat Chrysler will recall 1.4 million vehicles in the United States to install software to prevent hackers from gaining remote control of the engine, steering and other systems in what federal officials said was the first such action of its kind.



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Porcupine_I said:
It depends, if a woman was driving it, the hacker's control probably made the car safer

...i'll get my coat


logically, that's stupid. Men dont drive safer than women. 

Joke-wise, 6/10. 



JEMC said:

Fiat Chrysler U.S. to recall vehicles to prevent hacking

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/24/fiat-chrysler-recall-idUSL1N1041QI20150724

Fiat Chrysler will recall 1.4 million vehicles in the United States to install software to prevent hackers from gaining remote control of the engine, steering and other systems in what federal officials said was the first such action of its kind.

Chrysler's only produced 1.4 million cars that someway are affected by hacking? I would imagine they have made more than that that are susceptible in the recent years.



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