NX weaker than the xbox one? | |||
| True | 152 | 56.72% | |
| False | 116 | 43.28% | |
| Total: | 268 | ||
| Soundwave said: Tegra X1 is good, but Imagination's PowerVR GT7900 is even better. 800 GFLOPS @ under 10 watts apparently (1.6 TFLOPS in FP16 mode) and apparently very cheap. Add some eDRAM or other type of high speed RAM solution and you'd have a pretty powerful little console. To the OP's point I agree it could happen. I think NX is going to be a pretty different type of device and Nintendo is banking on the novelty to sell it, not interested in competing with Sony/MS directly. To be honest for *Nintendo games* I really don't even mind Wii U graphics all that much. It would be nice to have less jaggies and maybe a little better lighting/shading effects, but even after playing Batman Arkham Knight on PS4 and going back to my PS4, I don't get the "OMG! This is such a huuuuuuuuge gap!!" feeling I used to get going from PS3 to Wii. HD graphics makes a big difference. |
sure the X1 isnt the only capable chip, but its the easiest to compare because of the shield.
According to Moore's Law the NX should be roughly 4x as powerful as the Wii U (and more efficient, of course). That puts it in the power range of PS4 and Xbox One: 8GB RAM, 8-core CPU, roughly 1.5 TFLOPS GPU.
Personally, I think it will be on par with PS4. In some regards it will be a little weaker (CPU), in others it will be stronger (GPU). Nintendo will make the system as power efficient as possible and maximize real world performance and balance of components instead of on-paper performance as that's what they always do.
It will have Flash storage though (probably 128GB) and that will make gaming forums explode in rage.
Edit: And it will cost $249-299, bundled game included. The Wii U was $349 at launch but that had a very expensive controller and Nintendo won't pull that move again.
se7en7thre3 said:
Obviously being a mobile design, would knock it down in performance but if you had 2 of these suckers for the NX home console version, then it may match/exceed XB1. A downclocked version of the x1 chip in the NX handheld, and 2 of full versions (if not one, newer designed chip) in the home version would be ideal. If Nintendo uses the same chips in the handheld and other iterations, they will get a better manufacturing deal. The key is to get the HH version powerful enough for this approach to be feasible. |
Nvidia Tegra X1 : 256:16:16 (1000mhz core) 16 GPix/s , 16 GTex/s , 25.6 GB/s Memory bandwidth, 512 GFLOPS (FP32). 3GB of ram?
Xbox One : 768:16:48 (853mhz core) 13.6 GPix/s, 40.9 GTex/s , 68 GB/s DDR3 (+eSRAM ~109 GB/s), 1.31 TFLOPS (FP32). 8GB of ram.
~2.5x GTex/S , I dont think how many Gflops of compute a GPU has is all there is too it, GTex/S is something that matters too.
(177 GB/s vs 25.6 GB/s) => x 6.9 memory bandwidth
about x 2.56 times as much compute power inside the xbox one GPU:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review/9
Power consumption:
Xbox One = ~100watts
Tegra X1 = ~19.4watts
People make it sound like the Tegra X1 is basically a Xbox one.... thats simply not true.
The X1 will be outdated pretty quickly anyway, apparently Nvidia is working on a 16nm or 14nm version for later in the year, the current one is 20nm.
The GT7900 from PowerVR is already better than the X1 because it's built on 16nm process. More power, lower electrical consumption. 800 GFLOPS at sub 10 watts (someone said like 5-6 watts) crushes the Tegra X1 pretty handily (500 GFLOPS at 10 watts).
| Soundwave said: Tegra X1 is good, but Imagination's PowerVR GT7900 is even better. 800 GFLOPS @ under 10 watts apparently (1.6 TFLOPS in FP16 mode) and apparently very cheap. Add some eDRAM or other type of high speed RAM solution and you'd have a pretty powerful little console.
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Yeah I remember this was posted here a while back. Nintendo will definitely have good options, as long as the handheld version is powerful enough then there's that chance of the same or related chip(s) used in the home version.
Nintendo may not care about high specs but doesn't mean they cant find ways to get the best chip for the price, especially if the same one is used throughout all NX iterations.
| Soundwave said: Tegra X1 is good, but Imagination's PowerVR GT7900 is even better. 800 GFLOPS @ under 10 watts apparently (1.6 TFLOPS in FP16 mode) and apparently very cheap. Add some eDRAM or other type of high speed RAM solution and you'd have a pretty powerful little console. To the OP's point I agree it could happen. I think NX is going to be a pretty different type of device and Nintendo is banking on the novelty to sell it, not interested in competing with Sony/MS directly. To be honest for *Nintendo games* I really don't even mind Wii U graphics all that much. It would be nice to have less jaggies and maybe a little better lighting/shading effects, but even after playing Batman Arkham Knight on PS4 and going back to my PS4, I don't get the "OMG! This is such a huuuuuuuuge gap!!" feeling I used to get going from PS3 to Wii. HD graphics makes a big difference. |
The newer Iris Pro and Carizo graphic solutions are much better than PowerVR and Tegra, though. At best the 14/16nm graphic solutions of mobile chip manufactures will match something like the Geforce 700M, or the first generation TeraScale chips. There is no miracle here.
Either way, the NX probably won't be that powerful if Nintendo opts for an APU solution like I expect them to. Mostly because AMD will release only 28nm APUs in 2016, with no Zen CPUs yet, which will be similar (15-20% more efficient at best) to the designs inside the X1 or the PS4...
haxxiy said:
The newer Iris Pro and Carizo graphic solutions are much better than PowerVR and Tegra, though. At best the 14/16nm graphic solutions of mobile chip manufactures will match something like the Geforce 700M, or the first generation TeraScale chips. There is no miracle here. Either way, the NX probably won't be that powerful if Nintendo opts for an APU solution like I expect them to. Mostly because AMD will release only 28nm APUs in 2016, with no Zen CPUs yet, which will be similar (15-20% more efficient at best) to the designs inside the X1 or the PS4...
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I'd just sign with PowerVR (with ARM CPU) to be honest. There was a rumor about a year ago that Nintendo from acccepting hardware pitches from PowerVR/Imagination in addition to AMD.
Very, very hard to beat 800 GFLOPS at only 6 watts or so. That's insane. Put some high speed eDRAM in a custom design on that sucker and you have a pretty nice chip for Nintendo and one that scan scale up and down to portable and home version as needed.
It's also apparently very cheap, PowerVR operates in huge volume because they supply Apple for the iPhone/iPad, likely they can give Nintendo a price even AMD can't beat.
going to post this again:
Nvidia Tegra X1 : 256:16:16 (1000mhz) 16 GPix/s , 16 GTex/s , 25.6 GB/s Memory bandwidth, 512 GFLOPS (FP32). 3GB of ram. 19-20watts typical use (gameing)
Xbox One : 768:16:48 (853mhz) 13.6 GPix/s, 40.9 GTex/s , 68 GB/s DDR3 (+eSRAM ~109 GB/s) (177 GB/s) , 1.31 TFLOPS (FP32). 8GB of ram. 100watts typical use (gameing).
Because I dont like people downplaying the Xbox One, or Up playing the actual strength of the Tegra X1.
I guess it depends on if it is the 9th gen console or not.
Can't wait for The Zelder Scrolls 3: Breath of The Wild Hunt!
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