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generic-user-1 said:

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...

We don't use coal, it's gas and hydro. Entire renewable thing is subvented by your debt and you doesn't seem to complain about it :D



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mai said:
generic-user-1 said:

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...

We don't use coal, it's gas and hydro. Entire renewable thing is subvented by your debt and you doesn't seem to complain about it :D


its not subvented by debt. its subvented by higher energie prices. our debt is there because we had to build up the east...



generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...

We don't use coal, it's gas and hydro. Entire renewable thing is subvented by your debt and you doesn't seem to complain about it :D


its not subvented by debt. its subvented by higher energie prices. our debt is there because we had to build up the east...

Ah, I see, I see. So renewables = higher energy prices after all? ;)



mai said:
generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...

We don't use coal, it's gas and hydro. Entire renewable thing is subvented by your debt and you doesn't seem to complain about it :D


its not subvented by debt. its subvented by higher energie prices. our debt is there because we had to build up the east...

Ah, I see, I see. So renewables = higher energy prices after all? ;)

every for of energie gets subventions, but renewables are the only that get their subventions in a oen and clear way, not like nuclear, were we just get the bill after some years, or coal were its not only direct subventions, but also free co2 certificates and problematic use of police and other lawenforcing units to deport people from their land because coal is more important than people.



mai said:
generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...

We don't use coal, it's gas and hydro. Entire renewable thing is subvented by your debt and you doesn't seem to complain about it :D


its not subvented by debt. its subvented by higher energie prices. our debt is there because we had to build up the east...

Ah, I see, I see. So renewables = higher energy prices after all? ;)


Yes, obviously. We are still very much in a development phase for renewable energy, and we still have long ways to go before we have reached the full potential of many different technologies, ranging from wind to tidal. However, as technology gets improved, and it's taken more widely into use, prices will go down, that's pretty basic economics.



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nanarchy said:
routsounmanman said:
After watching yesterday's Eurogroup and tonight's Summit, I can say this: If this is the future of Europe, I want no part in it.

Also, something to think about:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?_r=0


It is a dumb article full of bias. They aren't demands, they are loan conditions which Greece is quite free to reject, they are being stipulated because Greece has failed to make good on debts and failed to follow through on previous conditions that they agreed too. Personally I am suprised Eurogroup is finally standing up to them and saying "you are untrustworthy, we now require proof you aren't going to just flush this down the toilet again", I actually expected them to bend over yet again so we would see this situation in another 1-3 years.

Apparently you know better than Krugman. What's a Nobel prize worth, right? 



routsounmanman said:
nanarchy said:


It is a dumb article full of bias. They aren't demands, they are loan conditions which Greece is quite free to reject, they are being stipulated because Greece has failed to make good on debts and failed to follow through on previous conditions that they agreed too. Personally I am suprised Eurogroup is finally standing up to them and saying "you are untrustworthy, we now require proof you aren't going to just flush this down the toilet again", I actually expected them to bend over yet again so we would see this situation in another 1-3 years.

Apparently you know better than Krugman. What's a Nobel prize worth, right? 

its not a fuckn nobel price he got...  there is no nobelprice for economics...



generic-user-1 said:
routsounmanman said:
nanarchy said:


It is a dumb article full of bias. They aren't demands, they are loan conditions which Greece is quite free to reject, they are being stipulated because Greece has failed to make good on debts and failed to follow through on previous conditions that they agreed too. Personally I am suprised Eurogroup is finally standing up to them and saying "you are untrustworthy, we now require proof you aren't going to just flush this down the toilet again", I actually expected them to bend over yet again so we would see this situation in another 1-3 years.

Apparently you know better than Krugman. What's a Nobel prize worth, right? 

its not a fuckn nobel price he got...  there is no nobelprice for economics...

From wikipedia : "Krugman won the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel"

Also from Wikipedia:

"The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (officially SwedishSveriges riksbanks pris i ekonomisk vetenskap till Alfred Nobels minne, or the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel), commonly referred to as the Nobel Prize in Economics,[1] and as a "category of the Nobel Prize" by the Nobel Foundation itself,[2]which owns the name Nobel Prize,[3][4] is an award for outstanding contributions to the field of economics, and generally regarded as the most prestigious award for that field.[5] It is not one of the prizes that Alfred Nobel established in his will in 1895, but instead was established 73 years later by a donation to the foundation from Sweden's central bank, the Sveriges Riksbank, on the bank's 300th anniversary.[5][6][7][8] Winners are announced with the Nobel Prize winners, and receive the award at the same ceremony."

The economics equivalent, give or take.



routsounmanman said:
nanarchy said:


It is a dumb article full of bias. They aren't demands, they are loan conditions which Greece is quite free to reject, they are being stipulated because Greece has failed to make good on debts and failed to follow through on previous conditions that they agreed too. Personally I am suprised Eurogroup is finally standing up to them and saying "you are untrustworthy, we now require proof you aren't going to just flush this down the toilet again", I actually expected them to bend over yet again so we would see this situation in another 1-3 years.

Apparently you know better than Krugman. What's a Nobel prize worth, right? 

Barack Obama and Al Gore Have Nobel Prizes, that alone makes me give ZERO credibility to that title but that aside. the article is a fluff piece that completely ignores Greece's past failings to meet loan conditions, ignores previous write downs of debt and ignores the total lack of credibility Greece has as they are saying they will immediately do things that less than a week ago they claimed without question would not EVER be accepted. I don't care what his credentials are, when you write a fluff piece like that it doesn't matter whether you are the greatest economist in the world or a idiot, it is still horse shit.

Also like it or not the debate on this isn't purely economical, it is political, To accept Greece's proposal off hand would be a political poison pill for many of them, basically asking them to throw away their political future on behalf of Greece. If they are to have any chance to sell the agreement back to their own voters it has to be politically palatable, i.e. it can't look like Greece got favourable terms.



generic-user-1 said:
Azuren said:
generic-user-1 said:


pff most poor people arent unfit to breed society just holds em poor.  they could easyly feed a family, but ur society doesnt like dead rich people haning down from bridges. 

if you wanna find people unable to breed, look at the upper middle class, children that cry if they get dirty, schools that ban nuts, parents that freak out if the cowboy forms a gun with his fingers to shoot the indian.  poor children will eat those children alive if they have too...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for the rich. They hoard their money and complain when the government has to rip it away from them by force. Then they turn around and try to stick it to the lower class for what the government did to them. If the upper class would grow a heart, there wouldn't be a problem. 

 

What I'm referring to are useless bags of skin that live off of welfare. People who play the system for a living and decide that food stamps and unemployment are long term solutions. Society doesn't hold poor people down, inadequacy and apathy do. Want to make money? There are literally hundreds of ways to do so. You could join the military, apply for govern meant grants for school, work hard while you're in school to earn grants (academia and sports are both good options), work hard at retail and get promoted, start a damn food cart, ANYTHING. Yes, there are poor people who put their all into it, but the number of hard working failures is greatly outnumbered by the hardworking successes. Anyone can rise above the status they were born into, it just takes hard work. But most of them expect it to be given to them. Like food stamps for success. 

where should all the poor people work? are there 50m jobs(or what ever is the real unemployment number in the us) that just need worker?

Lots of roads and parks that need to be run. Someone could also pull a Roosevelt and MAKE jobs. I hear he was a pretty popular president. 



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