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Aquamarine on 21 May 2015
tbone51 said:
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97alexk said:
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97alexk said:

 

 

I want to know what world you live in where a title that sells only 1/6th of its predecessor is "not a big drop at all," haha.

So what if the installbase was smaller? It's still a failure. Especially because it didn't move any Wii U consoles.

And I don't think Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze has even HIT one million yet. Chartz says it has, but I think Chartz is over-estimating here.


Not denying the massive drop between the 2 games, but in your opinion is MK8 a failure? It went from 36mil+ to 5.1mil (i know its going to be higher) and its down roughly 1/6th when its all done.

Mypoint being DKTF failed to move consoles, and failed to get close to the SW sales of Returns (and probably more expensive), but does automatically deem it a failur?

Pokemon was once a 20mil+ franchise (well gen 1/gen 2 sold 32mil/23mil) and its now at least a 10mil franchise, thats not considered a failure :)


The sheer fact that the much-lauded sequels to sales behemoths couldn't even come close to the originals....is a grave failure across the entire spectrum of Nintendo Wii U IP.

It's utterly, bitterly disappointing and it's primarily responsible for Iwata's somber paradigm shift (revenue stream diversification / mobiles / NX).

 

I don't like to deal in relativity because it takes away from the enormous elephant in the room.

Because you just don't know where relativity is going to end.

 

If it's okay to call Tropical Freeze a success because Wii U software is low across the board....what about the number-one selling Atari Jaguar title? I could dust off ancient NPD spreadsheets showing us the number-one best-selling Atari Jaguar title in the USA....is that a success when the console had abysmal sell-through?



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tbone51 on 21 May 2015
Aquamarine said:
tbone51 said:


The sheer fact that the much-lauded sequels to sales behemoths....couldn't even come close to the original....is a grave failure across the entire spectrum of Nintendo Wii U IP.

It's utterly, bitterly disappointing and it's primarily responsible for Iwata's somber paradigm shift (revenue stream diversification / mobiles / NX).

 

I don't like to deal in relativity because it takes away from enormous elephant in the room.

Because you just don't know where relativity is going to end.

 

If it's okay to call Tropical Freeze a success because Wii U software is low across the board....what about the number-one selling Atari Jaguar title? I could dust off ancient NPD spreadsheets showing us the number-one best-selling Atari Jaguar title in the USA....is that a success when the console had abysmal sell-through?


I by no means am calling DK:TF a success, WiiU is a failure in sales and obviously SW will be affected by it. That said Vita/WiiU both have plenty of successful games. DK:TF was a dissapointmemt in sales yes, a biased fan has to admit it, but that doesn't flat out mean it failed.

Userbase will affect Sales, if wiiu was over 30mil i definitely could see the game doing 3mil-4mil lifetime. An example of this is DKC 3D which sold between 1.2mil-1.5mil that is a down port of a wii game (from 3 years ago). Same game on WiiU with HD graphics (remaster) would of sold under 400k-500k lifetime.

 

Again, DK didnt push consoles/Is nowhere close to its predecessor/underperformed, but calling it a failure might be pushing it. Might as well call Many other games on wiiu a failure as well (like MK8/SSBU/NSMBU/SM3DW/etc) because its nowhere near close to the last game for sales. DK is more arguable because shipments are probably around the 900k-1mil mark compared to the examples above, but without knowing cost of the game we cant deem it a failure.

Edit: Unless when you say failure, your talking about direct comparisons from DKCR to DKTF, then I dunno why Nintendo would expect even half of the sales selling it to a 6.5mil user base at the time.



Aquamarine on 21 May 2015
tbone51 said:
Aquamarine said:


The sheer fact that the much-lauded sequels to sales behemoths....couldn't even come close to the original....is a grave failure across the entire spectrum of Nintendo Wii U IP.

It's utterly, bitterly disappointing and it's primarily responsible for Iwata's somber paradigm shift (revenue stream diversification / mobiles / NX).

 

I don't like to deal in relativity because it takes away from enormous elephant in the room.

Because you just don't know where relativity is going to end.

 

If it's okay to call Tropical Freeze a success because Wii U software is low across the board....what about the number-one selling Atari Jaguar title? I could dust off ancient NPD spreadsheets showing us the number-one best-selling Atari Jaguar title in the USA....is that a success when the console had abysmal sell-through?


I by no means am calling DK:TF a success, WiiU is a failure in sales and obviously SW will be affected by it. That said Vita/WiiU both have plenty of successful games. DK:TF was a dissapointmemt in sales yes, a biased fan has to admit it, but that doesn't flat out mean it failed.

Userbase will affect Sales, if wiiu was over 30mil i definitely could see the game doing 3mil-4mil lifetime. An example of this is DKC 3D which sold between 1.2mil-1.5mil that is a down port of a wii game (from 3 years ago). Same game on WiiU with HD graphics (remaster) would of sold under 400k-500k lifetime.

 

Again, DK didnt push consoles/Is nowhere close to its predecessor/underperformed, but calling it a failure might be pushing it. Might as well call Many other games on wiiu a failure as well (like MK8/SSBU/NSMBU/SM3DW/etc) because its nowhere near close to the last game for sales. DK is more arguable because shipments are probably around the 900k-1mil mark compared to the examples above, but without knowing cost of the game we cant deem it a failure.

Edit: Unless when you say failure, your talking about direct comparisons from DKCR to DKTF, then I dunno why Nintendo would expect even half of the sales selling it to a 6.5mil user base at the time.


As I mentioned before, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze has flatlined in sales. It's not an evergreen like its predecessor.

Nintendo corporate looks at trends as a barometer of success...gen-over-gen trends, but more importantly how the title is doing in terms of momentum.

 

MK8 and Smash Bros. are chock full of momentum. Donkey Kong Country? Dead in the water after selling to Nintendo diehards last year.

That might be an even bigger reason to call it a failure.



oniyide on 21 May 2015
Aquamarine said:
97alexk said:
Aquamarine said:
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Not really, Tropical freeze sold atleast over 1 million, unfortunate because its such an amazing game


Let's look at USA NPD data for a second. Ignore Chartz.

 

According to NPD data, Donkey Kong Country Returns hit nearly 3 million only a few years after being on the USA market.

Meanwhile, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze still hasn't hit 500,000.

 

It's abundantly clear that Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze is a failure to NCL.

Tropical Freeze had a good deal greater production costs than the original with a more robust dev team...and for what? To sell 1/6th of its predecessor in the USA?

Well thats only In the USA. and also Wii had a bigger install base, it doesnt matter if it even sold only 100 K, its the best game of the gen so far for me, and idc about the sales. I just said it was unfortunate, also returns has 9 million something, and Tropical freeze has 1 million, Thats not so bad compared to the install base at 2014 february. EDIT: Returns actually only has 6 millions, so tropical freeze sold 5 million less. thats not a big drop at all compared to the install base, TBH tropical freeze sold preatty good compared that no one seems to mention it anymore when they talk about good Wii U games

I want to know what world you live in where a title that sells only 1/6th of its predecessor is "not a big drop at all," haha.

So what if the installbase was smaller? It's still a failure. Especially because it didn't move any Wii U consoles.

You have to keep in mind that Wii's active installbase back in 2010 was a lot smaller than its total installbase. Remember all of the soccer moms / grannies that bought it for Wii Fit and Wii Sports and nothing else? Yeah...you have to take that into consideration.

And, if you look at sales data Tropical Freeze has pretty much flatlined...so it's never even going to go anywhere above its current state.

Donkey Kong Country Returns continued to sell for years. But Tropical Freeze? It had a small run to cater to the Nintendo diehards and then promptly withered away.

And I don't think Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze has even HIT one million yet. Chartz says it has, but I think Chartz is over-estimating here.


the thing is those soccer moms were never going to buy DK anyway



OfficerRaichu15 on 21 May 2015

Guys DK TF bombed and its overtracked
ok we can move on now.



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Brun2003 on 21 May 2015

Gran Turismo 5 10.59 million
Gran Turismo 6 3.10 million



Mummelmann on 21 May 2015
Brun2003 said:
Gran Turismo 5 10.59 million
Gran Turismo 6 3.10 million


Wow, I didn't realize this!

I don't mind though; GT 6 showed that the series has stalled and Polyphony need to get their act together. It used to be among my favorite series but I don't really enjoy the GT games any more, they seem to have fallen behind the times and they're struggling to deliver good content.



Brun2003 on 21 May 2015

It really is sad, I want to be excited for 7 to show up on ps4 but I feel like they are so entrenched in their ways that it will just feel to true to GT but really boring and feel like a moran put the menu's and structure together.



ExplodingBlock on 21 May 2015

Alright, enough Wii Sports to Wii Sports Club posts, we get the point



Mythmaker1 on 21 May 2015

Star Fox 64 - 4.03 million
Star Fox Adventures - 1.87 million
Star Fox Assault - 1.08 million

Lego Harry Potter : Year 1-4 - 8.1 million
Lego Harry Potter : Year 5-7 - 4.4 million

Lego Indiana Jones - 11.76 million
Lego Indiana Jones 2 - 5.01 million

Monster Rancher 2 - 1.05 million
Monster Rancher 3 - 0.36 million

Castlevania : Lords of Shadow - 1.71 million
Castlevania : Lords of Shadow 2 - 0.32 million

Batman : Arkham City - 10.26 million
Batman : Arkham Origins - 4.40 million

Sonic Generations - 3.84 million
Sonic Lost World - 0.72 million

Gears of War 3 - 6.14 million
Gears of War : Judgement - 1.53 million

Medal of Honor - 5.82 million
Medal of Honor : Warfighter - 2.79 million

Assassin's Creed IV : Black Flag - 12.15
Assassin's Creed Unity  - 6.23



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