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Calling the actions of an army of SJW's going to town and screaming "Disgusting white cis scum! Delete your games and kill yourselves!!" critisism is perhaps a bit off the mark. Just saying.

Yes, critisism is good. But that isn't what is happening. Developers are being shamed and condemned. Will that change anything? Maybe.

Money forces hands, and companies will cater to loudmouths if they think they'll make more money through that. They can also ignore all of that if they don't see profits in it. Like others have alreadys stated though, the process is long and difficult, and there are restrictions everywhere. HOWEVER, this is the era of selfpublishing and kickstarter. Make your own god damn non-ableist, non-racist, non-genderist, all-inclusive rainbow fairytail. It has never been easier than today.

I make no claims on any artists work. Make whatever you want. If I like it, I buy it. That is how it is, and how it should be for everyone. Anyone can make a product today. Go for it.



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Smear-Gel said:

The reason that games were all white males was because it was the only thing people would ever do at the time, based on it being less diverse at the time.

There is no reason to continue, besides tradition. The fact that people complain when a developer thinks about being diverse is sad

 

It just HAS to be pandering, not thier choice. Its only tge developers choice when they do what i wantvthem to.

But this isn't the case at all. If a game has well-written characters, people don't care at all. You don't see people complaining about The Last of Us or The Walking Dead, which feature women and/or LGBTQ characters. If something is well done, it doesn't feel tacked on, so it raises above pandering or quotas (because even if it isn't this, then the creators did a very poor job with the character). Much like the greater problem of misrepresentation/tropes in video games, it's more of a critcism on the writing and design imo.



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Catering? What when 90% of the leads are white males with brown hair?! Haha I would love to hear your definition of "Catering."

Jesus one or two games add characters that are gay/trans/etc and all of the sudden the industry is pandering...



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FragilE^ said:
Calling the actions of an army of SJW's going to town and screaming "Disgusting white cis scum! Delete your games and kill yourselves!!" critisism is perhaps a bit off the mark. Just saying.

Yes, critisism is good. But that isn't what is happening. Developers are being shamed and condemned. Will that change anything? Maybe.

Money forces hands, and companies will cater to loudmouths if they think they'll make more money through that. They can also ignore all of that if they don't see profits in it. Like others have alreadys stated though, the process is long and difficult, and there are restrictions everywhere. HOWEVER, this is the era of selfpublishing and kickstarter. Make your own god damn non-ableist, non-racist, non-genderist, all-inclusive rainbow fairytail. It has never been easier than today.

I make no claims on any artists work. Make whatever you want. If I like it, I buy it. That is how it is, and how it should be for everyone. Anyone can make a product today. Go for it.

As I said in my post, both sides have their extremist nut jobs. To focus exclusively on them is to do the argument a disservice. Surely gamergaters don't like having people who made death threats against game developers and present blatantly misogynistic attitudes representing them, yeah?

This is the internet. Some people will be assholes, and that's not exclusive to so-called "SJWs". But as I said in my post, this is a very loud, annoying, vocal minority. There are plenty of people on BOTH sides of the argument who are not these things.

And hell, you know what? Both condemnation and "shaming" is criticism. What it ISN'T is coercion. Because, again, that is not the same as taking the developer's baby hostage .Or, to use a less extreme example that has actually happened, death threats and violent phone calls. Though, again, that is most definitely NOT exclusive to so-called SJWs, and represents that vocal minority I mentioned earlier.

And I keep referring to my post a few pages back because it's very long, very thorough, and I don't feel like repeating that argument again.



I implied the potential of one's mind to expand if forced to take on different subject matter and allow oneself to be vulnerable.  It won't happen with everyone, and personally I feel that if they get burnt out and start hating the process of writing or developing for new subject matters, then they shouldn't continue to be forced to.  It could be enlightening for some however in small amounts.  They don't even have to put them into practice; just being exposed to them a little (books, movies) and they can take or leave what they want within those new ideas.

I wouldn't want them to end up hating their profession.

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teigaga said:
Lawlight said:


I don't recall the last time I played a game as a straight, white male. They are fairly rare these days.

You must exclusively play open world RPGS :p

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The last few games I played. How many of those feature a straight white male?



Eddie_Raja said:
Catering? What when 90% of the leads are white males with brown hair?! Haha I would love to hear your definition of "Catering."

Jesus one or two games add characters that are gay/trans/etc and all of the sudden the industry is pandering...

90% of leads are white males with brown hair? Such BS statistics.



Lawlight said:
teigaga said:

You must exclusively play open world RPGS :p

Doki-Doki Universe

Remember Me

Dragon's Dogma

Lone Survivor

Hotline Miami

TxK

LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes

Surge Deluxe

MotoGP 13

Contrast

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The last few games I played. How many of those feature a straight white male?


I should have added indie/non AAA games :)



teigaga said:
Lawlight said:

Doki-Doki Universe

Remember Me

Dragon's Dogma

Lone Survivor

Hotline Miami

TxK

LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes

Surge Deluxe

MotoGP 13

Contrast

MURAMASA REBIRTH

The last few games I played. How many of those feature a straight white male?


I should have added indie/non AAA games :)

So, your arguments only works if we don't count games that a open-world RPGs, probably sports games, racing games, my guess is Japanese games as well, fighting games, any game with character creation, indie game and games that don't have a big budget?



Lawlight said:
teigaga said:
Lawlight said:

Doki-Doki Universe

Remember Me

Dragon's Dogma

Lone Survivor

Hotline Miami

TxK

LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes

Surge Deluxe

MotoGP 13

Contrast

MURAMASA REBIRTH

The last few games I played. How many of those feature a straight white male?


I should have added indie/non AAA games :)

So, your arguments only works if we don't count games that a open-world RPGs, probably sports games, racing games, my guess is Japanese games as well, fighting games, any game with character creation, indie game and games that don't have a big budget?

Well of course, games which don't have designated representation: Sports, racing, , RPGs where you design your own character, game with non-human/genderbased characters, games based on established IPs where devs have no choice. The conversation is not a tit for tat, its based on relevance and that concerns the hyped up big budgeted AAA games which dominate each year and which people consume, not niche japanese titles that struggle to sell 100k in the west. Also games which have scripted protagonists, because those are the kinds that are remembered and become cultural icons (Link, Lara, Snake, Nathan Drake, Cloud etc), unfortunately not your characters from Dragons Dogma :p

Edit: The games you've mentioned are all valid aswell though not ignoring that, fighting games have always had diverse representations. Open RPGs which only became common last gen have greatly allowed for more customisation  and indie games are treasured for similar reasons, breaking the mold.

If the conversation is posed in a manner of all games under the sun, then thats my mistake. This brilliantly relates to the OP though, coincidently the games which on the surface at least exhibit more creative freedom are the same that have more diverse character portrayals