Brady didn't do spygate though. That's Belichick. Brady isn't the one who'd give orders to watch other teams' offensive plays. Brady doesn't need to cheat to beat my Jets' defense during that time frame. Belichick just does what he does to make sure there's no chance for failure. I don't find that remotely respectable, and it's down right sad that he has to cheat when he'd easily win without it, but I can't blame Brady for everything the Pats have done wrong. Nor, moreover do I think a year suspension is right for lying alone when this is the first time we KNOW he lied. Maybe a couple games, but this is for all intents a first offense. Had Belichick been caught, I would've gone right ahead and said give him a year. I said that before we had the full picture, for that matter. But it's clear Belichick likely didn't have any idea this was happening.

lol, ok, nice straw men

What lies?  Again, what lies did Brady state?  He called McNally a friend, that's about as far as I can see...The report didn't not say definitively say anything.  It said 'more likely than not', if they had caught him lying, that would've been in the first page.  It wasn't.  That's the point I'm making here.

No, it's not normal, a preponderance of the evidence is what's being misused on College campuses to destroy peoples lives, by requiring little evidence beyond a victim's complaint.  Hence UVA, Hence Duke Lacrosse, and a number of other frail cases that would've been tossed out in an actual court of law (one actually was, but the college and student harassed him, released his private info etc...).

So, brush up on the 'integrity of the game' laws, in the NFL, then take a look at the evidence required ina  court of law.  Nowhere near each other.

And again, if it was 'clear he did' the Wells report would've stated as such.  Instead, they use the term 'more probable than not' over and over, because they have no proof, they really only have circumstantial evidence, said evidence is damned by the fact that given text evidence, it looks like two employees were just fucking around with Brady's balls, to say nothing of the 16PSI balls the REFS put in the Jets game.

I do however agree, Brady not giving his cell phone looks bad...but looking bad does not mean guilty.

The difference between the colleges and the NFL is that it's not just based on words, but actual evidence. Also, in regards to the Columbia rape case (the Mattress Case), the defendant OFFERED to show his text messages which would have ELIMINATED any guilt he had which in the end he didn't need anyway - but he still OFFERED his text messages because he knew he was innocent. Brady is doing the OPPOSITE. Nuf said. End of debate.

The NFL is not a court of law, but if it was, it would DEMAND Brady to show his text messages and emails. So if anything Brady is lucky they are only finding it extremely probable he was involved.

Brady refusing to show his text messages and emails doesn't just look bad - it's basically an implied admission of guilt.

Think of it this way - the first thing Aaron did after being involved in the murders was throw away guns, DESTROY HIS CELL PHONE, and hire cleaning ladies. Basically - try to avoid showing direct evidence.

Here is Kraft's official response: "“Throughout the process of this nearly four-month investigation, we have cooperated and patiently awaited its outcome. To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship game, would be a gross understatement. In addition, given our level of cooperation throughout the process, I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview. What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer."


He claims the organization is cooperating 100% but then literally in the next sentence he says he didn't allow access to the main perpetrator in the case for more questioning, and of course he 100% left out how Brady refused to have his phone and emails examined.

Doesn't sound like cooperation to me. Patriots need to just fold. L.A. can open a team so we can go back to 30 teams.

No, actually you're missing one very key component here.  The discrepency in ball PSI, still remains unaccounted for, at least, the severity of the discrepency.  Exponent was unable to account for it (which is probably why the investigation continued).  And, in the mattress girl case evidence from that kids texts were EXCLUDED.  And he was still exonerated.  But I digress.  The same level of evidence is required for both types of cases.  Look it up, if you don't believe me (It was changed recently due to integrity breaches) ProFootballTalk discussed it months ago, and I've read about several Title IX cases.

Again, Brady not 'giving his phone' (not just showing his texts, they wanted his phone...sorry, not happening), isn't an admission of anything, sure it makes him look bad.  But, it's not proof.  And Aaron didn't throw away guns, his wife did.

Exactly. The kid was still exonerated WITHOUT his texts, yet he was WILLING to show them his texts because it would have 100% guaranteed his non-guilt. He had nothing to hide. On the other hand, Brady clearly has things to hide on his phone. If you think he's not showing his phone because of dik pics then that's denial. Brady KNOWS they can't go through his phone unless he does it, so Brady is fine settling on "probably" did it. However, if the NFL was like the court of law and got access to text messages I am willing to bet the evidence would be damning.

You also have to account in the fact Brady has been caught cheating before (spygate).

Again, I point out the fact that Brady has never been mentioned in any part of Spygate since you seemed to ignore that last time. Moreover, actions like Spygate have been incredibly common for decades. The Patriots had the Jets' playbook last year for God's sake. You can't pin Spygate on Brady. I hate the team and the man with a passion as a Jets fan, but you'd be crazy to legitimately try and pin it on him or say he had involvement with it. 

And again, I note that there's no precedent that would state that Brady or the Pats should receive a massive punishment such as a year ban or the incredibly-profitable and historic team altogether folding. That's a completely illogical discipline for the actions, since Brady, I repeat, HAS NOT BEEN CAUGHT before this. The most he'd get in terms of games is maybe four if he could solidly be proven responsible. 

And for you to go for Kraft, a man who deserves nothing but respect, for giving the usual PR talk response to something that blemished his team, on top of ridiculously asking for the team's head, is just insulting to any fan of the NFL. Especially when in the same post you forget that the NFL has 32 teams. 

Um how could Brady NOT have involvement in it? Spygate by DEFINITION (knowing the team's defensive signals) means the QB has involvement. When Doug Flutie put on his helmet as a Patriot he once remarked he was surprised the QB microphone was on AFTER the 15 seconds of time alotted.

What good is Spygate if the starting QB doesn't know the other team's plays? You have to remember Tom Brady was a skinny 6th round draft pick who should have never succeeded in the NFL. I always thought it was strange he always made those perfect passes during clutch times. Then it all made sense.

Kraft deserves nothing but respect? Lol yeah right. The guy is a weasel. He ran away during Spygate and now he's saying he is "cooperating fully" even though he admitted in the next sentence that's not true.

Yeah NFL has 32 teams, and should have 31 next year with an L.A. team taking over.

Mangini only stopped the taping because he didn't want it to happen as the home team. Both he and Belichick seem to agree that the wording of the rule was entirely ambiguous. (If you've ever read the rule, it stated that taping was only prohibited during a game, never anything about practice. That's since been changed.) Now, that doesn't excuse Belichick for the rest of the spying, I'm just noting in the immediate instance that started it all. 

Moreover, on-field defensive signals are already known by the teams well before the game begins. That's taped pretty much everywhere else by every team already. The name of the game is cheat so long as you don't get caught. The Pats are just really bad at not getting caught. I'm only surprised they weren't the ones caught for Bountygate. Would've loved to see that suspension go to Belichick.

And again, since you seem to ignore the facts, I'll point out that Kraft not only apologized profusely for Spygate, but that both during and after the scandal pretty much everybody in the NFL talked about how genuine a person he is all the time. Hate the Pats if you wish, the more the merrier on that front, but don't wrongfully trash Kraft for it.

Anyway, if you're going to go on a delusional anti-Pats rant without any care for the facts in the matter, feel free.