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spemanig said:
MohammadBadir said:

IMO the only games to come close to Emerald are BW.


Eh, to me, those are some of the worst and the first time the series declined in quality. Only the story got deeper on a surface level. The lore wasn't as interesting and never really got fully explained, the region design was a step down from both Sinnoh and Hoenn, and most of the Pokemon designs were pretty blatantly based off of Gen 1 Pokemon concepts, which must be the laziest the series has ever been, design wise.

People complain that Garbordor is a "bad design" because its "ugly." I don't think that has any merit. The design is fine. The issue is that it's just Gen 5 Muk. Zebstrika is just Gen 5 Rapidash. Conkelder is just Gen 5 Machamp. Seismetoad is just Gen 5 Poliwrath. I could go on and on. It was an extremely underwhelming generation, with an above average story for a Pokemon game. And honestly, that's just because N was a deep and interesting character.

Everything else was pretty typical for a Pokemon game. Ghetsis wasn't as interesting as Cyrus. There were no admins with memorable personalities. The Shadow Triad weren't given any significant plot role until B2W2, where the only possible mysteries to their characters was deconfirmed. All the gym leaders had gyms that reflected their secondary jobs, but it's not like gym leaders never had lives before BW.

I dunno. I don't think they're that great at all. Not bad. Even good, but I think there's a noticable gap in quality between Emerald and BW, with Platinum and HGSS surpassing both.

Now tbh, I don't think Cyrus was that interesting either. From what I remember, he wanted to create a new universe devoid of all emotion. Ok..but why? I don't think there was an explanation for his actions. I think there was an old woman who told you that Cyrus was a loner as a kid but they should've delved into that more.



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InnocentSin said:

Now tbh, I don't think Cyrus was that interesting either. From what I remember, he wanted to create a new universe devoid of all emotion. Ok..but why? I don't think there was an explanation for his actions. I think there was an old woman who told you that Cyrus was a loner as a kid but they should've delved into that more.


I mean, I don't think that any of the team villians have truly stand out characters aside from N, but at least that one line from his grandparents makes sense of his actions, and everything he does and wants makes sense within the context of his motives and his personality. Ghetsis is literally just evil. He wants to take over the world "because," and the entire subplot of liberating Pokemon was just a tool to have power, so he could be evil.

Cyrus is an avatar for artificial intelligence. He's a nihilistic computer stuck in a person's body, in a manner of speaking. Everything about him feels programed. His interest in mechanics, antisocial childhood, and his particular intrest in robotic Pokemon all allude to that. The regret that he might not have turned out the way he did if he was only exposed to more humanity does so as well

He wants to create a world without emotion because he can't comprehend emotion, just like a computer. Just like the machines he tinkered with as a child instead of other kids. We know that he was brilliant from his grandparent. He was extremely intelligent, like a computer. He watched from the sides as society made mystakes due to emotions, something he's already explained he can't relate to. He doesn't see it as being human; he sees it as being imperfect. As an avatar for artificial intelligence, yet being entirely human, he not only sees the world as imperfect, but he sees himself as imperfect. He's not immune to the effects of emotion, as proven when he becomes enraged near the end of the games and is discusted with himself.

He decides to obtain the power of gods to create a new universe in his image. He wants to create a universe where everyone, including himself, can be purged from what he sees as imperfection. The Pokemon he chooses to use make sense within the context of what he's trying to do as well. Dialga and Palkia make sense in creating a universe with it's own law and rules, and Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit make sense within the context of manipulating human spirit. It's also poetic that it's those three Pokemon that are directly involved in thwarting his plans in Diamond and Pearl, and it takes a second Red Chain, created through technological means, to thwart their effort in Platinum.

Aside from N, I think that Cyrus is the only team leader with any substance to his character. I think that Team Plasma, as an over all structured team, was more interesting than Team Galactic, but Cyrus makes up for his team in spades.

He's honestly the only evil villian that I believe deserves a sequel return.



Ka-pi96 said:
MohammadBadir said:
spemanig said:


I'd say Platinum and HGSS are both better, but yeah; Emerald is among the best. Definitly the second best completely original one.

IMO the only games to come close to Emerald are BW.

You think BW are better than HGSS? :O

Ok, what's HGSS? I've been trying to figure that out!



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Ljink96 said:
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald...you're in for a treat my friend. These, to me, are the best games in the entire series. I don't know if that's nostalgia or my brain speaking but they are excellent games. The running shoes helped a bit too XD

You have roller blades in X/Y. Skating FTW (because I skate in real life)



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I enjoyed every game, but for some reason the third gen is the one that i least liked.
I must be an alien or something.

Have fun with Pokémon, they're all great games.