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generic-user-1 said:

ehm science says that homosexuality is an illnes, christianity says its a sin. 

and  to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness.

the LGTB community should swallow its pride and aknowledge that homosexuality is an illness, that would make it easyer for all.

i dont think that the christian extremist could find enough allies if it would be clear that they want to discriminise sick people.

Um... science says that homosexuality is potentially caused by epigenetics, not genetics. That means that there isn't a "gay gene", but rather homosexuality is affected by the alteration of transcription of DNA to RNA, which will in turn will affect the translation from RNA to proteins. In addition, epigenetics is not necessarily heritable, so homosexuality can happen after birth.

You're all using the term "illness" in a subjective manner rather in a scientific context. A broad definition of illness is a condition that causes pain, distress, dysfunction, and/or death. No where in science and medical literature does it say that homosexuality is an illness because it has not been proven that it actually causes those symptoms.

Here's my comment from earlier: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7176846



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Aura7541 said:
generic-user-1 said:

ehm science says that homosexuality is an illnes, christianity says its a sin. 

and  to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness.

the LGTB community should swallow its pride and aknowledge that homosexuality is an illness, that would make it easyer for all.

i dont think that the christian extremist could find enough allies if it would be clear that they want to discriminise sick people.

Um... science says that homosexuality is potentially caused by epigenetics, not genetics. That means that there isn't a "gay gene", but rather homosexuality is affected by the alteration of transcription of DNA to RNA, which will in turn will affect the translation from RNA to proteins. In addition, epigenetics is not necessarily heritable, so homosexuality can happen after birth.

You're all using the term "illness" in a subjective manner rather in a scientific context. A broad definition of illness is a condition that causes pain, distress, dysfunction, and/or death. No where in science and medical literature does it say that homosexuality is an illness because it has not been proven that it actually causes those symptoms.

Here's my comment from earlier: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7176846


were did i say its genetic?  and science doesnt say its epigentics, it says its a mix of genetics, epigenetics and wrong hormones in the mother.

and it medical literature doesnt talk about homosexuality as sickness because they fear the PC police... 

and allmost every gay men has some if not all of those symptoms. yes its mostly the society that makes em suffer, but thats normaly no reason to dismiss those symptoms.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Question folks. What happens when you put church and state in the same room to make decisions which affect people? Discrimination. Chick Fil-A must be jumping for joy and preparing to have more locations in Indiana.  YAY for religion alienating more people that it doesnt agree with. 

http://wgntv.com/2015/03/26/indiana-governor-signs-bill-allowing-businesses-to-reject-gay-customers/


I'm in the church of the flying spagetti monster. I refuse to serve anyone wearing red.

 

But seriously people are focusing on the wrong thing here. This also grants individuals the right to discriminate (and sole traders) and what happens when an employee refuses to serve a gay guy, and the company is ok with it? Or the company is not ok with it and fires him? What about a (company) partnership? What if one half of a partnership refuses to serve a murderer (thou shalt not kill) and the other half is ok with it? What happens when Christians refuse to serve veterans (thou shalt not kill) or people who have committeed adultery (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife), or even people who use condoms?

 

If I eat Pork, can an Hindu business refuse to serve me?



generic-user-1 said:
Aura7541 said:

Um... science says that homosexuality is potentially caused by epigenetics, not genetics. That means that there isn't a "gay gene", but rather homosexuality is affected by the alteration of transcription of DNA to RNA, which will in turn will affect the translation from RNA to proteins. In addition, epigenetics is not necessarily heritable, so homosexuality can happen after birth.

You're all using the term "illness" in a subjective manner rather in a scientific context. A broad definition of illness is a condition that causes pain, distress, dysfunction, and/or death. No where in science and medical literature does it say that homosexuality is an illness because it has not been proven that it actually causes those symptoms.

Here's my comment from earlier: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7176846


were did i say its genetic?  and science doesnt say its epigentics, it says its a mix of genetics, epigenetics and wrong hormones in the mother.

and it medical literature doesnt talk about homosexuality as sickness because they fear the PC police... 

and allmost every gay men has some if not all of those symptoms. yes its mostly the society that makes em suffer, but thats normaly no reason to dismiss those symptoms.

Here's your quote here: "and to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness."

So you basically claimed that homosexuality is purely heritable. Genetics is 100% hertable, but epigenetics is not. The entirety of your comment is merely opinion, not facts. If you think medical literature doesn't talk about homosexuality as a sickness because of the "PC police" (and seriously, what the heck is the PC police?), then you have no understanding of the peer review process in science literature, at all.


Aura7541 said:
generic-user-1 said:


were did i say its genetic?  and science doesnt say its epigentics, it says its a mix of genetics, epigenetics and wrong hormones in the mother.

and it medical literature doesnt talk about homosexuality as sickness because they fear the PC police... 

and allmost every gay men has some if not all of those symptoms. yes its mostly the society that makes em suffer, but thats normaly no reason to dismiss those symptoms.

Here's your quote here: "and to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness."

So you basically claimed that homosexuality is purely heritable. Genetics is 100% hertable, but epigenetics is not. The entirety of your comment is merely opinion, not facts. If you think medical literature doesn't talk about homosexuality as a sickness because of the "PC police" (and seriously, what the heck is the PC police?), then you have no understanding of the peer review process in science literature, at all.

I don't think you understand the nature of academia at all. Conservative scholarship has dropped significantly over the years. There are simply too few grants available to conservative scholars . No money = no research. It's that simple. There are articles written about how researchers are afraid to engage in research that is contrary to politically correct notions including gender differences. 

And when a majority of peers are liberals it doesn't make for an unbaised review process does it?

http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/liberal-bias-in-academia-is-destroying-the-integrity-of-research/

 



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reggin_bolas said:
Aura7541 said:

Here's your quote here: "and to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness."

So you basically claimed that homosexuality is purely heritable. Genetics is 100% hertable, but epigenetics is not. The entirety of your comment is merely opinion, not facts. If you think medical literature doesn't talk about homosexuality as a sickness because of the "PC police" (and seriously, what the heck is the PC police?), then you have no understanding of the peer review process in science literature, at all.

I don't think you understand the nature of academia at all. Conservative scholarship has dropped significantly over the years. There are simply too few grants available to conservative scholars . No money = no research. It's that simple. There are articles written about how researchers are afraid to engage in research that is contrary to politically correct notions including gender differences. 

And when a majority of peers are liberals it doesn't make for an unbaised review process does it?

http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/liberal-bias-in-academia-is-destroying-the-integrity-of-research/

 

So you basically formed the conlusion first and then, looked for "evidence" that supports your conclusion with an editorial? I think you have found your answer as to why conservative scholarship has dropped because that is the absolute antithesis of the scientific method.



Aura7541 said:
generic-user-1 said:


were did i say its genetic?  and science doesnt say its epigentics, it says its a mix of genetics, epigenetics and wrong hormones in the mother.

and it medical literature doesnt talk about homosexuality as sickness because they fear the PC police... 

and allmost every gay men has some if not all of those symptoms. yes its mostly the society that makes em suffer, but thats normaly no reason to dismiss those symptoms.

Here's your quote here: "and to be clear, you cant cure it, because its all done way before you are born. sure you could find a way to detect and cure it before birth, but that would be way to risky for such an illness."

So you basically claimed that homosexuality is purely heritable. Genetics is 100% hertable, but epigenetics is not. The entirety of your comment is merely opinion, not facts. If you think medical literature doesn't talk about homosexuality as a sickness because of the "PC police" (and seriously, what the heck is the PC police?), then you have no understanding of the peer review process in science literature, at all.


yes it is and sure some epigenetic processes can occure AFTER birth, not all. 

and genetic disposition isnt an on/off switch.  

and if its not an illness and not a choice, what is it ?

 

 

 and  it doesnt matter if liberal or conservative, its not a personal bias, they just fear the public opinion and specialy  extremist like SJW.

those arent liberal or leftwing they are just idiots without real problems.