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Forums - Sales Discussion - Weekly HW & SW 14th of feb. 3DS 423k. Zelda 860K, Evolve 600K. MH4U 300K

OfficerRaichu15 on 27 February 2015
Mystro-Sama said:
What caused the Wii U NA boost?

Its febuary so consoles do better than january....

wii u has a better library then last year....

wii u got a discount at best buy....

It also is doing alright at amazon now...



Bets:

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(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

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Nymeria on 27 February 2015

3DS with a big week, guess some upgraded or bought additional NEW 3DS.



small44 on 27 February 2015
binary solo said:
Materia-Blade said:
platformmaster918 said:
Guitarguy said:

Wow at the N3DS sales... And people still say smart phone gaming is the reason the Vita is not doing well... Right...

That is definitely a contributing factor to the lower handheld segment overall.  Look at 3DS for proof.  It has a ridiculous market share but is still tracking FAR behind DS at this point with no reprieve in sight.  Same story for Vita and its predecessor.

The DS was a monster. A console being behind it means NOTHING.

Considering 3DS is unlikely to sell more than GBA, DS being a monster is hardly a relevant counter. And consider also that the 3DS fall off compared to DS will be far greater than the PS3 fall off compared to PS2. It is time for Nintendo fans to accept that mobile gaming has significantly reduced the handheld console market, permanently most likely. And when both players in the market suffer severe declines gen on gen that absolutely means there are external disruptive factors at play. If #DS declined gen on gen but Vita increased gen on gen then you could say handhelds are holding strong. But that isn't the case.

One week of large sales of a hardware upgrade (not just a superficial redesign) is what means nothing. If N3DS baseline falls back not not much more than what DS for most of 2014 (which it largely has done in Japan) then this week's sales will count for nothing in the larger scheme of things.

psv had one of the worst support ever ,PSP support was better by mile.

No handheld will ever sell like ds just like no home console will ever sell as much as ps2



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Mystro-Sama on 27 February 2015
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Mystro-Sama said:
What caused the Wii U NA boost?

Its febuary so consoles do better than january....

wii u has a better library then last year....

wii u got a discount at best buy....

It also is doing alright at amazon now...

Hmm... Wonder if it can maintain 30k.



OfficerRaichu15 on 27 February 2015
Mystro-Sama said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:

Its febuary so consoles do better than january....

wii u has a better library then last year....

wii u got a discount at best buy....

It also is doing alright at amazon now...

Hmm... Wonder if it can maintain 30k.

That would be amazing if true

and I noticed one thing though

isnt the EU:NA ratio for wii u a little lower than usual 

because usually last year it was a 5-10k difference

now its a 22k difference O_O



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

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binary solo on 27 February 2015
small44 said:
binary solo said:
Materia-Blade said:
platformmaster918 said:
Guitarguy said:

Wow at the N3DS sales... And people still say smart phone gaming is the reason the Vita is not doing well... Right...

That is definitely a contributing factor to the lower handheld segment overall.  Look at 3DS for proof.  It has a ridiculous market share but is still tracking FAR behind DS at this point with no reprieve in sight.  Same story for Vita and its predecessor.

The DS was a monster. A console being behind it means NOTHING.

Considering 3DS is unlikely to sell more than GBA, DS being a monster is hardly a relevant counter. And consider also that the 3DS fall off compared to DS will be far greater than the PS3 fall off compared to PS2. It is time for Nintendo fans to accept that mobile gaming has significantly reduced the handheld console market, permanently most likely. And when both players in the market suffer severe declines gen on gen that absolutely means there are external disruptive factors at play. If #DS declined gen on gen but Vita increased gen on gen then you could say handhelds are holding strong. But that isn't the case.

One week of large sales of a hardware upgrade (not just a superficial redesign) is what means nothing. If N3DS baseline falls back not not much more than what DS for most of 2014 (which it largely has done in Japan) then this week's sales will count for nothing in the larger scheme of things.

psv had one of the worst support ever ,PSP support was better by mile.

No handheld will ever sell like ds just like no home console will ever sell as much as ps2

How about the point that 3DS will probably not sell as much as GBA? essentially 3DS is looking to be the lowest selling nintendo handheld. 



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small44 on 27 February 2015

They made some mistake just like Sony made with ps3



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Materia-Blade on 27 February 2015
platformmaster918 said:
Materia-Blade said:

It will probably outsell GBA. But again, you act as if less than the others handhelds equals a problem when all nintendo handhelds sold a lot.

I never said it wasn't sustainable, but there's a reason it's sold less.  Smartphones are now effecting the market.  PS3 still sold well despite being the worst selling home PS console yet people still cry "decline decline!" so I understand why you'd be against me calling it but looking at market direction the handhelds are going to be way down.  Hopefully it doesn't continue next gen but man Nintendo really leans on handhelds now so they need to make it work

But if the 3ds is doing regular numbers for pre ds nintendo handhelds, mobile isn't being that much of a problem.



Materia-Blade on 27 February 2015
binary solo said:
Materia-Blade said:

The DS was a monster. A console being behind it means NOTHING.

Considering 3DS is unlikely to sell more than GBA, DS being a monster is hardly a relevant counter. And consider also that the 3DS fall off compared to DS will be far greater than the PS3 fall off compared to PS2. It is time for Nintendo fans to accept that mobile gaming has significantly reduced the handheld console market, permanently most likely. And when both players in the market suffer severe declines gen on gen that absolutely means there are external disruptive factors at play. If #DS declined gen on gen but Vita increased gen on gen then you could say handhelds are holding strong. But that isn't the case.

One week of large sales of a hardware upgrade (not just a superficial redesign) is what means nothing. If N3DS baseline falls back not not much more than what DS for most of 2014 (which it largely has done in Japan) then this week's sales will count for nothing in the larger scheme of things.

Vita declined because of high price, lack of games and releasing later than 3ds. it also didn't have the multimedia piracy that made psp sell so much. the only thing permanent in this discussion is the dedicated handheld market, as 3ds sales prove.



zorg1000 on 27 February 2015
binary solo said:
small44 said:
binary solo said:
Materia-Blade said:
platformmaster918 said:
Guitarguy said:

Wow at the N3DS sales... And people still say smart phone gaming is the reason the Vita is not doing well... Right...

That is definitely a contributing factor to the lower handheld segment overall.  Look at 3DS for proof.  It has a ridiculous market share but is still tracking FAR behind DS at this point with no reprieve in sight.  Same story for Vita and its predecessor.

The DS was a monster. A console being behind it means NOTHING.

Considering 3DS is unlikely to sell more than GBA, DS being a monster is hardly a relevant counter. And consider also that the 3DS fall off compared to DS will be far greater than the PS3 fall off compared to PS2. It is time for Nintendo fans to accept that mobile gaming has significantly reduced the handheld console market, permanently most likely. And when both players in the market suffer severe declines gen on gen that absolutely means there are external disruptive factors at play. If #DS declined gen on gen but Vita increased gen on gen then you could say handhelds are holding strong. But that isn't the case.

One week of large sales of a hardware upgrade (not just a superficial redesign) is what means nothing. If N3DS baseline falls back not not much more than what DS for most of 2014 (which it largely has done in Japan) then this week's sales will count for nothing in the larger scheme of things.

psv had one of the worst support ever ,PSP support was better by mile.

No handheld will ever sell like ds just like no home console will ever sell as much as ps2

How about the point that 3DS will probably not sell as much as GBA? essentially 3DS is looking to be the lowest selling nintendo handheld. 

Here are shipments for Gameboy Advance as of March 31, 2005 (4 years after launch)

Japan-15.55

Americas-33.37

Others-17.87

For comparison here are 3DS shipments as of December 31, 2014 (one quarter short of 4 years)

Japan-18.70

Americas-16.77

Others-14.93

3DS in Japan is slightly above GBA, 3DS in Others is slightly below GBA, they pretty much cancel each other out. The problem Nintendo is facing with 3DS is in the Americas, where it's barely over half of GBA in the same time frame. It's the same thing with Wii U where the majority of its decline compared to Gamecube is from the Americas. Nintendo needs to find a way to make their devices attractive to the American consumer again. I'm not sure how exactly they will do it, but it must be done.



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