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The thread's about vaccines, not GMO guys. You should probably make another thread for that, it's well and truly gone off topic.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:

I understand science quite well. I will repeat again. Independant peer reviewed study showing the apparent extra vitamins that have been added do add nutritional value and are being absorbed. Until then it's simply PR.

Here's the paper Torillian posted earlier: http://www.ask-force.org/web/Food/Trend/2-Bouis-GM-Food-Crops-Contribution-2003.pdf

Here's another one regarding the safety of genetically modified crops: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Nicolia-20131.pdf

That said, have you found any peer reviewed papers on absorption of extra vitamins? You did say you understand science quite well so you shouldn't have any problem looking for the right sources.



Chasesdaddy84 said:
Captain_Tom said:

LOL Anti-Vaccer morons. You people should be rounded up and put in your own disease-filled hole to rot.

User moderated for this post -RavenXtra

You got moderated for speaking the truth... The man is in with the anti-vaxxers!! (; 

He was right (except for his 2nd sentence), but that was not the best way to go about it...



As someone who works with the FDA approval process and is familiar with the pharmaceutical multi-phase trials, I can tell you that those trials pick a up a broad range of inconsequential, potential side effects. One of the primary reasons for this is the need for the manufacturers to perform low-cost testing and minimize their liability. To maximize cost-effectiveness, many tests are performed on the residents of third world nations (because most first world citizens are simply unwilling to take the risks involved in experimental trials). Unfortunately, for many of these poor test subjects, this a viable source of income that leads to application for multiple drug trials at once. It is perfectly acceptable to execute and OUS (outside the US) trial in this manner, but the downside is that many companies have no idea of just how many pharmaceuticals their subjects are taking. In an effort to maintain FDA compliance and mitigate legal exposure, they record and disclose a broad range of potential side effects (See virtually any new drug ad.). Given that most of the research that I've seen (or had related to me by immuno-biologists) on vaccines shows absolutely no link between vaccinations and autism, I would expect the GSK report to disclose inconsequential data that has no practical value.



Aura7541 said:
Chasesdaddy84 said:

You got moderated for speaking the truth... The man is in with the anti-vaxxers!! (; 

He was right (except for his 2nd sentence), but that was not the best way to go about it...


Oh I understand why he got moderated, and I think it was actually an appropriate moderation... Was just implying that I agree with his statement. Although, you're right, it could have been worded in a less 'in your face' kind of way. 



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Maybe it's because I got like every possible vaccine into my body when I was a little kid, but I honestly don't understand people who's against vaccination. I hate medication and even if it's a small issue, I'd rather not use medicines or antibiotics if I can; but that being said, I get ill every five years or so. Which I concede it is thanks to all the vaccines I got into my body when I was a little kid, hence why I honestly don't understand people who's against vaccination.



Wright said:

Maybe it's because I got like every possible vaccine into my body when I was a little kid, but I honestly don't understand people who's against vaccination. I hate medication and even if it's a small issue, I'd rather not use medicines or antibiotics if I can; but that being said, I get ill every five years or so. Which I concede it is thanks to all the vaccines I got into my body when I was a little kid, hence why I honestly don't understand people who's against vaccination.

You don't like Monster Hunter, so it seems perfectly clear the vaccines did permanent damage.



It's pretty simple to me. Take something you believe in. Kind of religion, wether to cercumsize, the type of partner you like, the kind of food you eat, the hair cut you get, weather or not to have kids, weather or not to have surgry. Does everyone believe the same thing? Of course not. What if now that thing you believe is not affecting anyone is suddenly going to be against the law because some people don't understand why someone would feel that way and a multi Billion Dollar a Year business will make more money. This choice of weather to Vacinate or not should be up to the parents & doctors. Mostly parents but should discuss with Dr. and everyone should be awear of all the side effects (not just minor). Mortality rate of a "preventable vacinable disease" is .000015%. That low why force then? I would be puting my kids at higher risk every time you drive them to school or go to the store. They have a chance to be hit by lightning 100 times in there life time then to die from one of these diseases. It's my choice. If I was going to a country that really had a high volume of a disease and was traveling with my kids, Id vacinate them for that with research on the least harmful version( yes most vacines there are a couple brands with differnt ingregents or less of some, ect), but we are extremly low on these numbers this "outbreak" of around 100 out of 320,000,000 people have been endeared with a treatable disease, no one has died. Do you hear of a cold "outbreak" lol. No even thought 300,000,000 people a year get it. Do research before you judge. Actual research not news and not one sided either way. Here's a start. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
Straight from the FDA you can read it all too please but note page 11 the 1st Paragraph above "Reporting Adverse Affects" it stats with "Adverse Events Reported .." What's this... Autism. Hmm what's that doing in the approved vacine for Dtap. That's for those that think there's no bad side effects. Also yes it's very very small chance but still it's not treatable for most harmful effects as most vacinable diseases are. FYI. I don't care if you vacinate or not. It's your choice. I just hope you research your self and make a decision. That's all. Don't judge and try to force people because you don't understand, I don't judge or force you because I don't understand. At least here it's America. It's our right to choose. If you don't like others having a choice, go live in another country that you get told what to do and how to do it and have no choice.



Bfriedli said:
It's pretty simple to me. Take something you believe in. Kind of religion, wether to cercumsize, the type of partner you like, the kind of food you eat, the hair cut you get, weather or not to have kids, weather or not to have surgry. Does everyone believe the same thing? Of course not. What if now that thing you believe is not affecting anyone is suddenly going to be against the law because some people don't understand why someone would feel that way and a multi Billion Dollar a Year business will make more money. This choice of weather to Vacinate or not should be up to the parents & doctors. Mostly parents but should discuss with Dr. and everyone should be awear of all the side effects (not just minor). Mortality rate of a "preventable vacinable disease" is .000015%. That low why force then? I would be puting my kids at higher risk every time you drive them to school or go to the store. They have a chance to be hit by lightning 100 times in there life time then to die from one of these diseases. It's my choice. If I was going to a country that really had a high volume of a disease and was traveling with my kids, Id vacinate them for that with research on the least harmful version( yes most vacines there are a couple brands with differnt ingregents or less of some, ect), but we are extremly low on these numbers this "outbreak" of around 100 out of 320,000,000 people have been endeared with a treatable disease, no one has died. Do you hear of a cold "outbreak" lol. No even thought 300,000,000 people a year get it. Do research before you judge. Actual research not news and not one sided either way. Here's a start. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
Straight from the FDA you can read it all too please but note page 11 the 1st Paragraph above "Reporting Adverse Affects" it stats with "Adverse Events Reported .." What's this... Autism. Hmm what's that doing in the approved vacine for Dtap. That's for those that think there's no bad side effects. Also yes it's very very small chance but still it's not treatable for most harmful effects as most vacinable diseases are. FYI. I don't care if you vacinate or not. It's your choice. I just hope you research your self and make a decision. That's all. Don't judge and try to force people because you don't understand, I don't judge or force you because I don't understand. At least here it's America. It's our right to choose. If you don't like others having a choice, go live in another country that you get told what to do and how to do it and have no choice.

I actually wrote a previous post that addresses the prevalence of side effects in FDA approved drugs.

As far as colds are concerned, here's what you may have not heard about the annual "outbreak:" http://pediatrics.about.com/od/kidsandtheflu/a/deaths-from-flu.htm



Bfriedli said:
It's pretty simple to me. Take something you believe in. Kind of religion, wether to cercumsize, the type of partner you like, the kind of food you eat, the hair cut you get, weather or not to have kids, weather or not to have surgry. Does everyone believe the same thing? Of course not. What if now that thing you believe is not affecting anyone is suddenly going to be against the law because some people don't understand why someone would feel that way and a multi Billion Dollar a Year business will make more money. This choice of weather to Vacinate or not should be up to the parents & doctors. Mostly parents but should discuss with Dr. and everyone should be awear of all the side effects (not just minor). Mortality rate of a "preventable vacinable disease" is .000015%. That low why force then? I would be puting my kids at higher risk every time you drive them to school or go to the store. They have a chance to be hit by lightning 100 times in there life time then to die from one of these diseases. It's my choice. If I was going to a country that really had a high volume of a disease and was traveling with my kids, Id vacinate them for that with research on the least harmful version( yes most vacines there are a couple brands with differnt ingregents or less of some, ect), but we are extremly low on these numbers this "outbreak" of around 100 out of 320,000,000 people have been endeared with a treatable disease, no one has died. Do you hear of a cold "outbreak" lol. No even thought 300,000,000 people a year get it. Do research before you judge. Actual research not news and not one sided either way. Here's a start. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
Straight from the FDA you can read it all too please but note page 11 the 1st Paragraph above "Reporting Adverse Affects" it stats with "Adverse Events Reported .." What's this... Autism. Hmm what's that doing in the approved vacine for Dtap. That's for those that think there's no bad side effects. Also yes it's very very small chance but still it's not treatable for most harmful effects as most vacinable diseases are. FYI. I don't care if you vacinate or not. It's your choice. I just hope you research your self and make a decision. That's all. Don't judge and try to force people because you don't understand, I don't judge or force you because I don't understand. At least here it's America. It's our right to choose. If you don't like others having a choice, go live in another country that you get told what to do and how to do it and have no choice.

Problem is, your choice doesn't just affect you. By not vaccinating, you're enforcing the consequences of your choice on other people's kids, putting them in danger as well. Every person that doesn't vaccinate lowers herd immunity, potentially placing millions of people at risk should it fall low enough.

And the mortality rate for Measles is waaaay more than "0.000015%", it was measured at 0.3%, or 3 in every 1000 victims, in the USA between 1987 and 2000. http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.full

As for whooping cough, it kills 5 in every 1000 infected infantshttp://ideas.health.vic.gov.au/bluebook/pertussis.asp

And those are the figures for first world countries; in the third world it's vastly worse.

And once again, autism and vaccines are not linked: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367