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sc94597 said:
theprof00 said:
Nintendo started this youtube digital rights shutdown at the start of the gen.
Proportional drop between let's play youtubers dropping nintendo and console and handheld sales dropping or simple coincidence?

First you must verify the bolded. Is this true? 

It cannot be proven, obviously.

But with youtube creators boycotting it......



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Talal said:
He has nothing to be scared of.

Of course he doesn't. That was never the issue. It's the people who desperately try to take the attention off Nintendo shoulders, who want to make it the issue.

Felix himself clearly said that he intended to speak FOR others. The most prominent youtube gamers; AngryJoe, TotalBiscuit, Boogie and PDP have all said the EXACT same thing. Felix is just easy to attack and divert attention from Iwata's laugh inducing decisions.

The only two parties (negatively) affected are nintendo centered youtubers and nintendo.



I really don't like when people use the words "free advertisement" for these things, because it's not true. The person playing the game is NOT advertising the game. The reason the majority of people do the Let's Plays and whatever else videos they do is NOT to show off the game. That is NOT the purpose of their videos. If it were, they wouldn't be showing A) The full(or large portion) of the game B) irrelevant voice overs (such as screaming or ranting) and/or C) any potential negative areas for the game.

In the quote I read earlier from pewdiepie is a lot more accurate, it is "publicity" much more than it is "advertisement." Would you consider a bad review for a game advertisement?

People are always overstating the positives with the way things are/were, but negatives are definitely associated with Let's Plays.

This may not be the best choice Nintendo is making, but it has already been stated several times that this is just a Beta. It sounds like, perhaps, Nintendo is open to suggestions.



Talal said:
sc94597 said:

In this context both mean the same thing. First time I claimed it as a hypothesis, second time I claimed it as a conclusion. "Be" and "is" are both existential verbs. So there is no contradiction here. Both "he has got to be scared " and "he is scared" can be true. And one  implies the other, when considering the additional assumption of PewDiePie being a rational human being. Or do you want my language to be as rigourous as mathematical logic here?


He has nothing to be scared of. He has a gigantic fan base that would watch him play anything. Besides he pretty much only plays small indie games lately and indie devs dream about Pewdiepie playing their games. He has nothing to worry about, he's just speaking on behalf of let's players because he's the biggest one and because his voice is heard.

His channel obviously benefits from diversity. As with any brand there needs to be new content that appeals to the audiences (eventually they'll get tired of watching similar indie games.) And a lot of his viewers likely found him because of said content. From what I've experienced of his channel there are both indie games and AAA releases (The Last of Us, Infamous, Heavy Rain, etc.) Like he said, "There’d be no “let’s play” without the game to play."



Talal said:
sc94597 said:

In this context both mean the same thing. First time I claimed it as a hypothesis, second time I claimed it as a conclusion. "Be" and "is" are both existential verbs. So there is no contradiction here. Both "he has got to be scared " and "he is scared" can be true. And one  implies the other, when considering the additional assumption of PewDiePie being a rational human being. Or do you want my language to be as rigourous as mathematical logic here?


He has nothing to be scared of. He has a gigantic fan base that would watch him play anything. Besides he pretty much only plays small indie games lately and indie devs dream about Pewdiepie playing their games. He has nothing to worry about, he's just speaking on behalf of let's players because he's the biggest one and because his voice is heard.

Indie developers literally put references to him in their games.

Pewds and other youtube creators do not need nintendo, they can be popular playing anything, and there is so much awesome content out there that you could probably play a million hours without even touching a nintendo. Pewds doesn't even play nintendo games iirc. He's more into pc. He's talking about nintendo because what they're doing is such a big mistake. He's absolutely right, and if publishers want to try and follow the nintendo route, they're gunna learn the hard way.



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AZWification said:

This guy has no right to complain about anything, since he barely even uploads Nintendo videos.

He's just expressing why he think their new policy is a bad move (while also acknowledging that they're totally in the right for choosing to do it). As he said, it's the Nintendo focused channels that are going to get the biggest slap in the face from this, not him. Nintendo aren't going to generate any hugely significant amount of money from the policy, they're just going to push youtubers towards the games of companies that acknowledge the benefits of the exposure provided (at least relative the alternative).



theprof00 said:
sc94597 said:
theprof00 said:
Nintendo started this youtube digital rights shutdown at the start of the gen.
Proportional drop between let's play youtubers dropping nintendo and console and handheld sales dropping or simple coincidence?

First you must verify the bolded. Is this true? 

It cannot be proven, obviously.

But with youtube creators boycotting it......

They aren't though. I can find plenty of Nintendo oriented let's plays. There will be plenty of people perfectly happy to get 60% of revenue (if they accrue viewers), but honestly most let's players do it as a hobby, not for money. They'll be glad Nintendo isn't removing their videos. This only affects the few who do it as a business. 

Look at the number of results (top-right corner.) 

 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+a+link+between+worlds

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+pokemon+x+and+y

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+pokemon+omega+ruby

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+super+smash+bros+wii+u

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+bayonetta+2

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+pikmin+3

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=let%27s+play+wind+waker+hd

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+super+mario+3d+world

vs. 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+pokemon+black+and+white

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+super+smash+bros+brawl

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+skyward+sword

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+super+mario+galaxy+2

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+super+mario+galaxy

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+zelda+spirit+tracks

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+zelda+phantom+hourglass



Not a PDP fan in the slightest, but I do agree with him.
Some parts of the policy seem sketchy though, like the approval period and such. This may or may not be used by Nintendo but could easily be abused by other devs if this becomes the new norm.

I also heard really old games are listed in the policy (cant confirm since I havent read it) but NES/SNES/N64 games are listed in the policy somehow? o~o c'mon Nintendo, some of those games are 30+ years old XD With GC games I can SORTA understand, but NES/SNES era shit..?



theprof00 said:
Talal said:
sc94597 said:

In this context both mean the same thing. First time I claimed it as a hypothesis, second time I claimed it as a conclusion. "Be" and "is" are both existential verbs. So there is no contradiction here. Both "he has got to be scared " and "he is scared" can be true. And one  implies the other, when considering the additional assumption of PewDiePie being a rational human being. Or do you want my language to be as rigourous as mathematical logic here?


He has nothing to be scared of. He has a gigantic fan base that would watch him play anything. Besides he pretty much only plays small indie games lately and indie devs dream about Pewdiepie playing their games. He has nothing to worry about, he's just speaking on behalf of let's players because he's the biggest one and because his voice is heard.

Indie developers literally put references to him in their games.

Pewds and other youtube creators do not need nintendo, they can be popular playing anything, and there is so much awesome content out there that you could probably play a million hours without even touching a nintendo. Pewds doesn't even play nintendo games iirc. He's more into pc. He's talking about nintendo because what they're doing is such a big mistake. He's absolutely right, and if publishers want to try and follow the nintendo route, they're gunna learn the hard way.

Sure, I conceded to indies. I find it hard to believe that these big-named multi-billion dollar publishers who advertise on television are very depedent on a youtuber or group of youtubers to advertise their games, so much so that they'll "learn the hard way." It is quite obvious that these let's players who make money are more dependent on the game releases than the publishers are on their "advertisements." Especially when you consider the negative advertisements that can arise too (people see things about the game they don't like and decide not to buy it.) Anyway, it's quite obvious you didn't read the entire quote tree, because all of your points were addressed in it and discussed. 



Barkley said:

It's within Nintendo's right to demand a part of the revenue but it's also incredibly stupid. Unless you're at the very very top of the pile you earn very little through youtube as it is.

Taking 40% of the revenue of someone who is advertising your product for free is ridiculous, there's a reason other companies haven't gone down this root.

Nintendo are just trying to grab money with this move and i've always viewed them as a pro-consumer company who are passionate about games and care about what they create first and foremost. This move has really thrown modern-nintendo into question for me. Are they not that company anymore?

Also Nintendo send the money to you in USD through PayPal, this means in countries with other currencies you have to pay associated fee's ontop of the 40% nintendo are taking.

Pewdiepie is at the very very top of the pile.  He's the #1 earner on Youtube.

But I still think it's silly of Nintendo to do this.  He'll just not play their games.  They'll lose that exposure.  He'll play other games instead.