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theprof00 said:
DJEVOLVE said:

Exactly, this was to ensure that it doesn't OverHeat.

This much space to ensure it doesn't overheat is a gross overreaction.
Why not use more efficient parts or enclosures?
The metal dividers and and enclosures in the ps4 and wiiU act as heat dissipation. It's like a heatsink that transfers and spreads the heat out instead of concentrating it. Most pcs utilize a similar structure for cooling.

Saying 'it was to ensure it doesn't Overheat' is only really half the story. It was to ensure it doesn't overheat while at the same time allowing them to use off the shelf parts, no customization, and a cheap slimline as early as possible.

I would imagine ms has 2 slimline versions down the line, if not more.
Like...why aren't their tablets or laptops oversized? How is it every other product they make is heat efficient, minimal, and creative? They said the design cost billions in R&D. But where is it?


This really angers you this much? WOW!

who Cares, however when you spend a billion on Over heating, You can expect this OVER REACTION!!!

Maybe they are thinking people will not let the Console breath and put them into small areas, this will help with people that don't understand the console needs to breath. Is this really that big of a stretch, NO but people will make it this massive issue it is not.



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theprof00 said:
V-r0cK said:
theprof00 said:
V-r0cK said:
Microsoft is definitely not a designing company. I dont think I've really liked the look of any of their products except the newest 360 version, but that took 3 tries.

Really? Because most people (at least in the US) will say that MS makes the best controllers. How is it possible that MS can perfectly engineer a controller, with no wasted space, high quality parts and huge efficiency, that not only sports a rather beautiful minimalistic face design while being as internally deep and imaginative as the ocean floor?

Of all the MS controllers they've made the 360 is probably my favourite of theres (the XB1 is similar but feels a bit off compared to 360), but kind of sucks that they dont just have built in battery as I do find that bulkiness of the battery pack for the 360 to be clunky.  Pretty sad that MS controllers are the same price as PS and they don't have built in battery.  And their D-pad sucks but has good analog sticks.

But to your point, how does a company that can make a good controller yet still make a massive system?  My answer, MS is not a designing company.  Sure they release a few nice looking products, but overall their products aren't all appealing.  Lets forget about the very first Xbox controller =)

Just look at it from this point of view.
Why does the controller not include a li-on battery and still have the same price? Because it makes them more money.
Everything in terms of the design of both the controller and system come down to one thing. Money.
The xb1 slim will prompt repurchases by current owners, along with satiating power constraint concerns by fence sitters. It also costs much less for the parts they've decided to use in this current xb1. I really can't stress enough how cheap these components are. Nothing in there is custom. It's all off the shelf pc parts.
And when you see the slim and its customized space management is, you'll wonder why they didn't do this in the first place.
The answer is most assuredly not 'heating'.
The answer, is money.

I get that they're in it to make money, but wouldn't a company that continually shows great design products be better off?  

If you look at Apple products they're sexy as hell and people are continuing to purchase their products because its that dam sexy.  There are people that will buy and upgrade to every iPhone because it just looks good.  However in scenarios like the fat PS3 and possibly the Xbox One, people were and could be holding off buying them waiting for a slimmer nicer version. 

I also get that they don't put built in batteries and honestly probably doesnt stop gamers from buying them, but it just puts a bad taste in value thinking about it.



DJEVOLVE said:
theprof00 said:
DJEVOLVE said:

Exactly, this was to ensure that it doesn't OverHeat.

This much space to ensure it doesn't overheat is a gross overreaction.
Why not use more efficient parts or enclosures?
The metal dividers and and enclosures in the ps4 and wiiU act as heat dissipation. It's like a heatsink that transfers and spreads the heat out instead of concentrating it. Most pcs utilize a similar structure for cooling.

Saying 'it was to ensure it doesn't Overheat' is only really half the story. It was to ensure it doesn't overheat while at the same time allowing them to use off the shelf parts, no customization, and a cheap slimline as early as possible.

I would imagine ms has 2 slimline versions down the line, if not more.
Like...why aren't their tablets or laptops oversized? How is it every other product they make is heat efficient, minimal, and creative? They said the design cost billions in R&D. But where is it?


This really angers you this much? WOW!

who Cares, however when you spend a billion on Over heating, You can expect this OVER REACTION!!!

Maybe they are thinking people will not let the Console breath and put them into small areas, this will help with people that don't understand the console needs to breath. Is this really that big of a stretch, NO but people will make it this massive issue it is not.

You're approaching the issue as if these were grade-schoolers deigning the system. These are some of the highest paid, most experienced engineers in the industry.

The problem with your argument is that RROD only occurred on the initial xbox360s

This is the 360 slim. Look how everything has its own little bay and storage area, and has molding to funnel the air the way it wants. Even has a smaller fan.

How does your point stand if MS could engineer this and have no overheating problems, yet create a console that has double the open space of the og x360?




theprof00 said:

I've been reading the news thats been coming out recently, and looking at the images.
This thing is way oversized. It's really really too big. Michael Leadbetter came out the other day saying it was designed so that it would be ignored, to make it look as unobtrusive as possible. But you really have to wonder how MS actually got to such a place in their board meetings.
Just look at this picture.

That's a gigantic fan on the processor heatsink. Easily a 20mm stock PC case fan.
A hard drive on a plastic rack, and a god-loving full-sized Bluray.

I have fewer questions about what goes into egg salad than what you seen here.
I can't believe I've never bothered looking at this before. I just didn't care enough to wonder why this system is nearly twice the size. And now I see that yes, yes, this was an epic waste of my time. 

Leadbetter says the whole thing was designed over years of painstaking work and billions of dollars. I agree, and I think this whole thematic trope is so clearly and dramatically exemplified by one simple component that ties everything up so nicely in a clever wrap and bow. It's Shakespearian in it's ingenuity and as crass as Marquis de Sade.

And that thing, is that fucking thing in the top right, under the harddrive.
It's that fucking loft bed just unassumingly lying there around the grandiose furniture like some kind of S&M fantasy boudoir, specifically designed for one reason alone: to keep that slut of an exchangeable hard drive off the floor so she can keep pretending like she's some kind of noble lady, while she's plugged in shockingly by a big black donger, just, you know, standing in the middle of the room. While she's getting pounded, she glances over lovingly at her Steinway media player. A massive full-sized Blu-ray standing as obscenely as one would when they have a grand piano and more room in a house than they know what to do with. 
To the right, a makeup dresser..replete with a full-size mirror surrounded with soft-glowing bulbs circa 1920's burlesque house, foundations, creams, irons, and really anything that a filthy 1-percenter upper class whore would need to get someone, ANYONE, to spend a night on this cheap, plastic, fuck-table. Oh and of course let's not forget the giant fan next to the open window, because well, I dunno I'm out of jokes... but man I used to talk to this one chick and she had a fan in the window (no AC) and man that bitch was thirsty. xbox is thirsty.

This system is fucking obscene. And I don't mean it in a sexual way anymore, I'm done with that previous metaphor, because if that bit above sounded like a smut-piece, it holds hands with a fierce looking pimp who conjures memories of early internet gore-threads, of people accidentally falling off cliffs, or accidentally putting cats in the washing machine. You know, that guy that's going to accidentally cut out your organs for sale the black market if you don't pay Trixie her due.

Here, I'll post it again:

WHAT! 'What the actual fuck?' 'There are no words.' 'I can't even'. There aren't enough white-girl-isms to fully engender the entire concept of this monstrosity.

You know, I have to stop here a second, because I know that there are fans out there and I just want to apologize, at least midway through, for this rant. What I truly hope, is that you just brush me off as some kind of anti-xbox fanboy, or delusional sociopath, and call it a day, and go back to playing your vidya. If you are an xb fan, well, this article mess of thoughts thrown together just isn't meant for you, because you will never understand where I'm coming from.

It's meant to be read by these fans:
 

And these fans

Literally anyone who is a fan of a well engineered device.

Oh, but I know the excuses. I'm not a complete idiot, as the old lady likes to say.
"It's for heat regulation."
BULLSHIT.
Heat regulation? It has the largest fan out of all the consoles, the largest heatsink and the largest free space inside, and doesn't even include the fucking power supply! Some people say,-
"it's because x360 had so many heating problems that they are doing their best to avoid them this time around".
BULLSHIT.
These designers aren't you're classmates in grade-school who made super sure to mark all their answers correctly by overfilling the circles with no.2 graphite. These are professional engineers with years and years of experience....probably more years of experience than the aforementioned pre-pubes have even been alive.
That right there....
wait, I'll post it again to refresh your memory:

That is a fucking travesty.
Leadbetter talks about design, but there is no design. That's not design. Really, the only piece of design on this entire thing is the part right at the front foundation of the console. I'm talking about that slant inward, which is a design feature to make the size of the actual console look smaller from certain angles. Lots of electronics companies do that though, so it's not some kind of engineering genius on Leadbetter's part.

I sense a big hairy 'but' about to rear it's ugly head:

BUT
There is one thing MS is absolutely genius at over at redmond headquarters. They know how fucking gullible their consumers are, and they know how to work those buttons like a phoneboard operator.

The reason this system is genius, is because of one thing...well two things if you want to get technical.
All the parts in this system are as cheap as possible. Full sized BR, large heatsink and fan, no actual hard drive tray, standard uncovered motherboard, everything on plastic rims. It's as basic-bitch as you can get, and it's likely saved them a lot of money in the long run, because that stuff in the ps4, that stuff that makes everything small and run cool and all that? That costs money.

But the genius, the quantum genius part of this design is that this system, wait for it-
IS DESIGNED TO BE GARBAGE.
That's the big secret. It's designed to be inefficient and massive. It's epic. It's genius. Standing ovation.

But malstrom scrambles, why would they do that? That seems counter-intuitive, and they probably lost sales because of it.
To which I reply, no, you and are a idiot, because you aren't thinking outside the xbox, which clearly, Leadbetter is.

This 'isn't' the xb1. The real xb1 is going to be released say mid late 2015. The real xb1 that has the billions of $'s of design invested into it.
The "slimline" xbox one.
Nobody isn't going to buy an xb1 because of its size. That's ridiculous. Within the first year, at this point in time, your biggest customers are going to be the nerds. The hardcore gamers. the first-day-ers (whom are still busy trying to purchase up the remaining day one editions still on shelves). The fanboys. Those are the people who buy, and they won't care about the size. If anything, the size WARRANTS the 499$ 399$ 379$ 329$ price tag, because it's big and that means expensive.

When the MS re-introduce the slimline xb1, it's going to be ps4 sized, and it's RUMORED to have better components.
It's going to be as praised as the virgin mary, and all this current doom is going to be swept under the rug, and talked away. 'Oh I don't mind at all, the xbfat has some performance features that I like better, and some that aren't as good. They're both about the same, but I think when it reaches xxx$, I'll just go buy the slim, which supposedly is outperforming ps4 on several games according to digital foundry"
That is the exact post of 'moneyshooter223' on August 12th, 2015. Yes, yes, I admit, I am not smart. I am merely from the future.

And with that, I'm done, so to your all I bid a warm jeffer's morning, and good luck.

a) Because it is cheaper than a compact design

b) It will help with heat. They will have over-engineerd the hell out of it because another RRoD would have been suicide for them.

c) You assume the engineers actually got a say in the matter. They won't have. The managers will have dictated this, and I can guarantee you that those managers won't have a damn clue about engineering.



V-r0cK said:

I get that they're in it to make money, but wouldn't a company that continually shows great design products be better off?  

If you look at Apple products they're sexy as hell and people are continuing to purchase their products because its that dam sexy.  There are people that will buy and upgrade to every iPhone because it just looks good.  However in scenarios like the fat PS3 and possibly the Xbox One, people were and could be holding off buying them waiting for a slimmer nicer version. 

I also get that they don't put built in batteries and honestly probably doesnt stop gamers from buying them, but it just puts a bad taste in value thinking about it.

I'm not saying I'm the word's law when it comes to when somebody will purchase something. Sure, it's likely that there are some people who wouldn't buy it because it's too big. However, it doesn't even compare to the amount of people who would wantonly repurchase a console that was half the size, including those people who were holding off.



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Chris Hu said:
V-r0cK said:
Microsoft is definitely not a designing company. I dont think I've really liked the look of any of their products except the newest 360 version, but that took 3 tries.


The newest 360 only looks slightly better then the regular slim verison and there are a lot of people that pefer the look of that version.  Well at least they did a slightly better job then the PS3, pretty much everyone perfers the look of the regular slim compared to the top loading final model.  Both final models of the PS3 and 360 where pretty much unecessary since they pretty much use the same hardware as the previous versions and did not come about due to a die shrink.

Yea I agree that the final designs for PS3 and Xbox360 weren't neccessary.  But the PS3 had it worst as the 2nd design was the better.  That top loading function just felt cheap.  The first slim 360 was also a pretty good design, it did look pretty sexy in white.



Conina said:
V-r0cK said:
Microsoft is definitely not a designing company. I dont think I've really liked the look of any of their products except the newest 360 version, but that took 3 tries.

The Surface Pro 2 + 3 are praised for their design + build quality.

The Microsoft mice and gamepads are also very ergonomic and reliable.

The Surface Pro designs aren't bad but nothing special either when comparing to tablet looks.  Unfortunately MS aims it to replace laptops yet the Surface Pro is quite difficult to use on ur lap with the keyboard.

There's nothing horrible about MS designs but they're nothing great either which is why I said they're not a designing company.  Majority of their products look pretty normal.



Just remember that the ps3 took 34 months before a slim released.
x1 will do it in less than 24.



theprof00 said:
@Dane
Who said anything about shape?
You can prefer the shape all you want.
Look up the dimensions.
ps4 is only 60% of the size of the x1. X1 is almost DOUBLE in size.
wouldn't ypu prefer a console thats half the size.
im sure your response will be "I'd prefer a working console", but dont fall for it bro. X1 could have been way smaller and still perfectly functional.


i meant to say the ps4 looks like an oversized eraser. For me size doesn't matter at all.  As long as it plays the games and doesn't break. Afterall we buy consoles to play games right as that what gamers do ?  Soounds like theres a competition  where if your console not petite and sexy , its not worth getting XD.    I see you mentioned the dimension, however ps4 heats and gets hottter way faster then xbox one. my xbox one never gets hot but my ps4 does . i have to switch it off as i do not want to overheat it. To me xbox one is a sexier console then the ps4. 



dane007 said:
theprof00 said:
@Dane
Who said anything about shape?
You can prefer the shape all you want.
Look up the dimensions.
ps4 is only 60% of the size of the x1. X1 is almost DOUBLE in size.
wouldn't ypu prefer a console thats half the size.
im sure your response will be "I'd prefer a working console", but dont fall for it bro. X1 could have been way smaller and still perfectly functional.


i meant to say the ps4 looks like an oversized eraser. For me size doesn't matter at all.  As long as it plays the games and doesn't break. Afterall we buy consoles to play games right as that what gamers do ?  Soounds like theres a competition  where if your console not petite and sexy , its not worth getting XD.    I see you mentioned the dimension, however ps4 heats and gets hottter way faster then xbox one. my xbox one never gets hot but my ps4 does . i have to switch it off as i do not want to overheat it. To me xbox one is a sexier console then the ps4. 

Hmm it's not really a competition. That's not the point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is that MS deliberately filled the console with "filler" in order to release a smaller one quickly that would prompt previous owners to rebuying the new system for the convenience, while not really spending any additional money on R&D. Basically, what I'm saying is that MS sold a purposely under-engineered system so that you'd buy another system in the near future.

It's like a chip company that has half their bag full of air, claiming it's to ensure each chip is perfect or something, and then later releasing a smaller bag with no air to make it seem like they're actually filling the bags up to the brim, and charging slightly more for it.