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Dechizen on 26 November 2014

ps4 actually heats up more



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TheFallen on 26 November 2014
theprof00 said:
VanceIX said:
KLXVER said:
Well the PS4 is like half the size and it doesn't have an external AC adaptor. Yet it has no overheating problems either...?

Pretty sure Microsoft was just playing it safe. Better safe than sorry.

Also, half the size? Um...

ps4 is 271 cubic inches

xb1 is 438 cubic inches

ps4 is 60% of the size of xb1



Don't forget to add the dimensions of the external power brick.

VanceIX on 26 November 2014
ethomaz said:

VanceIX said:

Aye, but twice as big? Hardly.

It's actually a good thing that it is big, more future-proof. One of the biggest reasons for console deaths last year (with both PS3 and 360) was lack of cooling with almost all the models, so this should certainly mitigate that. If it means making a few inches extra room in the entertainment system, so be it.

It is close... PS4 is 60% of the size of Xbone.

If you add the volume of the brink to Xbone it will be twice as big.

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

Personally, I've already had a PS4 fail due to overheating, and it was in a well-ventilated area. Don't have a One (yet), so I can't comment on cooling with that, but stuffing all the components in to one package isn't always a great idea. No one will know for another few years down the road, but it may come back to nip Sony in the heels. These are things that even a console manufacturer can't know until the system has been used for a while.



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JoeAncelotti on 26 November 2014
KLXVER said:
MoHasanie said:
KLXVER said:
Well the PS4 is like half the size and it doesn't have an external AC adaptor. Yet it has no overheating problems either...?

Maybe PS4 had better engineers. 


Sounds like it. I have no idea how that stuff works though

Japanese think failing is a disgrace. Amaricans, not so much. That's probably why nearly all Japanese products have such a good and thought-out design.



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theprof00 on 26 November 2014
VanceIX said:
ethomaz said:

VanceIX said:

Aye, but twice as big? Hardly.

It's actually a good thing that it is big, more future-proof. One of the biggest reasons for console deaths last year (with both PS3 and 360) was lack of cooling with almost all the models, so this should certainly mitigate that. If it means making a few inches extra room in the entertainment system, so be it.

It is close... PS4 is 60% of the size of Xbone.

If you add the volume of the brink to Xbone it will be twice as big.

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

It only needs to be 10% of the size for xb1 to be double (inclding the brick). Not 40%



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VanceIX on 26 November 2014
theprof00 said:
VanceIX said:
ethomaz said:

It is close... PS4 is 60% of the size of Xbone.

If you add the volume of the brink to Xbone it will be twice as big.

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

It only needs to be 10% of the size for xb1 to be double (inclding the brick). Not 40%

Well, the PS4 is 60% the size of the One. How does the brick only need to be 10% the size of the One? 60+10=70? (Not trying to be picky here, genuinely wondering if I messed up the calculations or missed something)

Never mind, I gotcha, just took a second.



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ethomaz on 26 November 2014

VanceIX said:

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

Personally, I've already had a PS4 fail due to overheating, and it was in a well-ventilated area. Don't have a One (yet), so I can't comment on cooling with that, but stuffing all the components in to one package isn't always a great idea. No one will know for another few years down the road, but it may come back to nip Sony in the heels. These are things that even a console manufacturer can't know until the system has been used for a while.

Check your maths.

PS4 needs to be 50% of the Xbone to be half-size... it is really close (61%)... if you add the power brink dimensions then it will be even more close (< 61%).

Xbone is that big.

Edit - More...

PS4 - 271 inches³
Xbone - 438 inches³

If you add the power brink dimenssions the Xbone can go up to close ~500 inches³... so PS4 will be close to 55% of the Xbone size... that is really close to half size.



daredevil.shark on 26 November 2014
VanceIX said:

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

Personally, I've already had a PS4 fail due to overheating, and it was in a well-ventilated area. Don't have a One (yet), so I can't comment on cooling with that, but stuffing all the components in to one package isn't always a great idea. No one will know for another few years down the road, but it may come back to nip Sony in the heels. These are things that even a console manufacturer can't know until the system has been used for a while.


Proof? Do you have any picture? Please show us.



VanceIX on 26 November 2014
daredevil.shark said:
VanceIX said:

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

Personally, I've already had a PS4 fail due to overheating, and it was in a well-ventilated area. Don't have a One (yet), so I can't comment on cooling with that, but stuffing all the components in to one package isn't always a great idea. No one will know for another few years down the road, but it may come back to nip Sony in the heels. These are things that even a console manufacturer can't know until the system has been used for a while.


Proof? Do you have any picture? Please show us.

What, that I have a PS4, or that it required repairing? I can probably provide both. 



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VanceIX on 26 November 2014
ethomaz said:

VanceIX said:

For one, I really doubt the power brick is 40% as big as the PS4.

Secondly, the power brick is gonna be in the back, not anywhere near the console. Unless you're really nitpicky about the wire space of your entertainment setup, I really doubt a power brick harms any one.

Like I said, as it stands, it's better to be safe than sorry. Cooling problems have developed in tons of consoles, especially last gen. Even the original PS3 (which was universally praised for good cooling space and the internal power supply) had kinda bad failure rates due to cooling problems down the road.

Personally, I've already had a PS4 fail due to overheating, and it was in a well-ventilated area. Don't have a One (yet), so I can't comment on cooling with that, but stuffing all the components in to one package isn't always a great idea. No one will know for another few years down the road, but it may come back to nip Sony in the heels. These are things that even a console manufacturer can't know until the system has been used for a while.

Check your maths.

PS4 needs to be 50% of the Xbone to be half-size... it is really close (61%)... if you add the power brink dimensions then it will be even more close (< 61%).

Xbone is that big.

Yeah, I see that now. I messed up with the calculations.

Still, not sure if adding a power brick to the equation (since it isn't directly part of the console) is fair, but to each their own.



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