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Dulfite said:
ZombieJesus said:
Dulfite said:

I do not, as a Christian, hold to the belief that there is any specific action (other than accepting Christ as my savior) I can take or wisdom I can gain that would increase the chance of "meeting my creator." Everyone will be judged before the throne of God one day, but those who have accepted God's love through Jesus Christ will be saved. That is my belief. I do not believe in some intellectual ascension. I'm going to meet God one day 100% no matter how "open" my mind is and, thankfully, because of my love for Jesus that will be an incomprehensibly wonderful meeting.

Also, I was not suggesting I would be alive when Christ returns, rather I'm just really looking forward to HIS return.

Have you ever undergone a psychological evaluation? If not, I would recommend it.

What is the point of asking me that? Are you that disturbed by my beliefs that you try to insult me? And even if it does disturb you that much, what benefit is it for you to try to insult me?

So that would be a resounding "no". I will reiterate my advice to seek psychological counseling for your obvious delusion.

 

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America has a true problem with police brutality, Policemen have a near total impunity, and can even kill someone who has no weapons with several gunshtos and get away with that, especially if he is black.

Digusting american justice.  The family of the murdered man should avenge him and deal with that murderer.



RCTjunkie said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
As expected this thread is bringing out the inner racism in some people.

As though its not possible for rioting to indicate a fundamental problem with the city itself. Standing back marveling at the spectacle without asking why its happening in the first place, instead letting preconceptions and stereotypes work instead of rationality. Pathetic. Then again, what is there to expect on a forum for tracking video game sales. Rarely are sound opinions going to be found on topics such as these.


My professor mentioned that it was interesting when people talked about riots and violence people automatically assumed it would be black people instead of the police, who initiated violence through shooting the guy. I found it an interesting observation regardless what I may think.

With all due respect RTC, wasn't it Brown who started hitting the officer first?



The thing that amazes me most here is that you do seem to have a serious problem with the police and especially the militarization of them and discrimination. however the case people have chosen to rally behind seems to be a blatant case of the cop doing the right thing, or at the very least an understandable thing. A single punch landed correctly is enough to kill someone, no one should ever have to accept that and once someone is trying to inflict that on you they have given up all rights of their own personal safety.



Moneybags said:
RCTjunkie said:

My professor mentioned that it was interesting when people talked about riots and violence people automatically assumed it would be black people instead of the police, who initiated violence through shooting the guy. I found it an interesting observation regardless what I may think.

With all due respect RTC, wasn't it Brown who started hitting the officer first?

My professor made the point and I thought it was interesting. Interesting doesn't mean I agree with it, but it does bring up interesting points.

Yes, you are right that Brown hit first. I don't know if shooting someone is okay even after getting punched if there are other methods to detain him. Whether they were available or he was trained to do so is what's causing confusion for me.

I do believe there is an overall trend of police brutality that should be examined in the US, but this case in particular is so divided and grey area that there was no way to have a united country calling for reformation, and has caused further division instead of unity. This shouldn't have elevated to the crisis that it is now.



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ZombieJesus said:
Dulfite said:
ZombieJesus said:
Dulfite said:

I do not, as a Christian, hold to the belief that there is any specific action (other than accepting Christ as my savior) I can take or wisdom I can gain that would increase the chance of "meeting my creator." Everyone will be judged before the throne of God one day, but those who have accepted God's love through Jesus Christ will be saved. That is my belief. I do not believe in some intellectual ascension. I'm going to meet God one day 100% no matter how "open" my mind is and, thankfully, because of my love for Jesus that will be an incomprehensibly wonderful meeting.

Also, I was not suggesting I would be alive when Christ returns, rather I'm just really looking forward to HIS return.

Have you ever undergone a psychological evaluation? If not, I would recommend it.

What is the point of asking me that? Are you that disturbed by my beliefs that you try to insult me? And even if it does disturb you that much, what benefit is it for you to try to insult me?

So that would be a resounding "no". I will reiterate my advice to seek psychological counseling for your obvious delusion.

 

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Mummelmann

I have nothing but love for you! Despite what you think of me and my beliefs, Jesus still loves you (no matter how much you don't believe in HIM or hate HIM).



nanarchy said:
The thing that amazes me most here is that you do seem to have a serious problem with the police and especially the militarization of them and discrimination. however the case people have chosen to rally behind seems to be a blatant case of the cop doing the right thing, or at the very least an understandable thing. A single punch landed correctly is enough to kill someone, no one should ever have to accept that and once someone is trying to inflict that on you they have given up all rights of their own personal safety.

Happened in Vermont years ago, ended (scaled back dramatically, at least) a very old festival called the 'Bread and Puppet' which was a grass roots political 'theater' they'd held since the 1960's.  A guy nicknamed 'June Bug', went to the event drunk, with the sole purpose of getting into fights, hit someone in the head (one punch) and killed him.  From the Wiki Page:

"Until 1998 the Bread & Puppet hosted its annual Pageant and Circus (in full, Our Domestic Resurrection Circus), in and around a natural amphitheater on its Glover grounds. In the 1990s the festival became very large, drawing crowds in the tens of thousands of people who camped on nearby farmers' land over the summer week long of the pageant. The event became unmanageably large and less and less concerned with the theater's performance. In 1998 a man was accidentally killed in a fight while camping overnight for the festival, and director Peter Schumann subsequently canceled the festival."

It wasn't an accident though, the guy went there intentionally to fight.  A friend of mine from High School actually made the call to the police implicating him.



nanarchy said:
The thing that amazes me most here is that you do seem to have a serious problem with the police and especially the militarization of them and discrimination. however the case people have chosen to rally behind seems to be a blatant case of the cop doing the right thing, or at the very least an understandable thing. A single punch landed correctly is enough to kill someone, no one should ever have to accept that and once someone is trying to inflict that on you they have given up all rights of their own personal safety.


Just clarify for me are you saying that if someone hits you then the right thing to do is kill them or that it is understandable to kill them?



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TheBlackNaruto said:
nanarchy said:
The thing that amazes me most here is that you do seem to have a serious problem with the police and especially the militarization of them and discrimination. however the case people have chosen to rally behind seems to be a blatant case of the cop doing the right thing, or at the very least an understandable thing. A single punch landed correctly is enough to kill someone, no one should ever have to accept that and once someone is trying to inflict that on you they have given up all rights of their own personal safety.


Just clarify for me are you saying that if someone hits you then the right thing to do is kill them or that it is understandable to kill them?


If someone is trying to hit you, yeah that person has given up all rights to there own safety, once they are trying to hit you they are in effect threatening your safety at a minimum and potentially your life.  A single hit can and has many times killed people. He wasn't shot for having hit the cop, he was shot trying to do it again.



nanarchy said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Just clarify for me are you saying that if someone hits you then the right thing to do is kill them or that it is understandable to kill them?


If someone is trying to hit you, yeah that person has given up all rights to there own safety, once they are trying to hit you they are in effect threatening your safety at a minimum and potentially your life.  A single hit can and has many times killed people. He wasn't shot for having hit the cop, he was shot trying to do it again.

Well. slight correction there, he wasn't shot for trying to do it again, he was shot because he'd already assaulted the officer, backed off when the first shot was fired (through the car door), and then killed because he wouldn't get down on the ground (maybe charging him, maybe not, the witness accounts conflict there).  The problem here is he'd already shown he has absolutely no respect for authority, and a perfect willingness to commit assault.  On the other hand, due to the conflicting witness accounts, we can't prove either the cop killed him without need, or that the victim wasn't charging him for further physical aggression.

It's really reminiscent of the Treyvon Martin case, due to a lack of corroborating testimony from all witnesses, and the 2nd party not being alive to represent their side, you can't just convict because of emotional feelings.  The system is certainly flawed, and there's most certainly a race problem in the US, but, when you can't prove something, you can't just say guilty.  No matter how much public opinion may want it.