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Those journalists have problems. If they think that can change or remove the "gamer"concept, they are dramatically mistaken.

For that to happen, Gamers would have to feel that beeing a gamer is something bad. They sure tried, but i dont think they understand that calling yourself a gamer means you are already prepared yourself for a certain ammount of society shunning in sacrifice of a hobby you love. If they think they can change millions of people just because they dont want to feel embarassed that they are games journalists... well, they are sorely mistaken.

Also, because most of all, there is nothing wrong with beeing a gamer. There is something wrong in wanting to play games and mixing it with social disputes though. That is obviously not what they are for.



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TL;DR: Gaming journalism is bullwhip, we should all aspire to be Nintendo Power or Christ Centered Gamer-esque in our review practices, we should stop getting worthless clickbait, we should also stop getting politically correct bullshit get shoved down our throats. That's what I want out of it.

But, sure, giving /v/ and /pol/ mascots, getting lots of laughs, and watching Gawker and Box crash and burn is fine, too.



 
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TheWPCTraveler said:
TL;DR: Gaming journalism is bullwhip, we should all aspire to be Nintendo Power or Christ Centered Gamer-esque in our review practices, we should stop getting worthless clickbait, we should also stop getting politically correct bullshit get shoved down our throats. That's what I want out of it.

But, sure, giving /v/ and /pol/ mascots, getting lots of laughs, and watching Gawker and Box crash and burn is fine, too.


This. Completely.

The thing here is, the audience they are trying to make feel embarassed has the power to bring it up to them. Dont click their articles. Dont feed the trolling. The less exposure these articles get, the more likely this is to stop. If they dont want you, dont go to them. Its that simple. If they are ashamed to be games journalists, they are the ones that need to change. Not the other way around.



Nem said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
TL;DR: Gaming journalism is bullwhip, we should all aspire to be Nintendo Power or Christ Centered Gamer-esque in our review practices, we should stop getting worthless clickbait, we should also stop getting politically correct bullshit get shoved down our throats. That's what I want out of it.

But, sure, giving /v/ and /pol/ mascots, getting lots of laughs, and watching Gawker and Box crash and burn is fine, too.


This. Completely.

The thing here is, the audience they are trying to make feel embarassed has the power to bring it up to them. Dont click their articles. Dont feed the trolling. The less exposure these articles get, the more likely this is to stop. If they dont want you, dont go to them. Its that simple. If they are ashamed to be games journalists, they are the ones that need to change. Not the other way around.

This goes for the video as well. Simply assuming everything in that video is valid, true, and any less propaganda would be a huge mistake. There are people muddying the waters on both sides of the debate.



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Nicklesbe said:
Nem said:
TheWPCTraveler said:
TL;DR: Gaming journalism is bullwhip, we should all aspire to be Nintendo Power or Christ Centered Gamer-esque in our review practices, we should stop getting worthless clickbait, we should also stop getting politically correct bullshit get shoved down our throats. That's what I want out of it.

But, sure, giving /v/ and /pol/ mascots, getting lots of laughs, and watching Gawker and Box crash and burn is fine, too.


This. Completely.

The thing here is, the audience they are trying to make feel embarassed has the power to bring it up to them. Dont click their articles. Dont feed the trolling. The less exposure these articles get, the more likely this is to stop. If they dont want you, dont go to them. Its that simple. If they are ashamed to be games journalists, they are the ones that need to change. Not the other way around.

This goes for the video as well. Simply assuming everything in that video is valid, true, and any less propaganda would be a huge mistake. There are people muddying the waters on both sides of the debate.

The thing is that we've been doing tons of damage, as far as their ad revenue is concerned.

I've been spreading AdBlock to my anti-GG friends ;)

For instance, The Escapist has adhered to an ethics policy thus far, while IGN(?!) actually stayed on the high road and refused to let clickbait regarding GG into their news, and there are quite a few fair news sites that got signal boosted while we're at it.



 
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Fuck GamerGate.

Not only is it the stupidest name ever, do to not being a conspiracy and not actually being about games, but it shouldn't be news to anyone that journalism as performed by people who're not actually educated journalists is rife with nepotism, bribery, and general favoritism.
It should be no surprise that award shows arranged by these people are rigged.

Aside from that, videogames are now the biggest entertainment industry, so it is bound to have more shadowy dealings than even the movie industry.

GamerGate is a bunch of teenagers and Peter Pan syndrome 20-somethings acting like something is being taken away from them, or that their way of life is threatened. At this point they are getting louder and more nonsensical than even the 3rd gen feminists on tumblr.

Ultimately, the discussion of who paid who to say what is NOT a discussion about video games, and if anything illegal has happened, internet vigilantism is the least effective way to deal with it.



Podings said:
Fuck GamerGate.

Not only is it the stupidest name ever, do to not being a conspiracy and not actually being about games, but it shouldn't be news to anyone that journalism as performed by people who're not actually educated journalists is rife with nepotism, bribery, and general favoritism.
It should be no surprise that award shows arranged by these people are rigged.

Aside from that, videogames are now the biggest entertainment industry, so it is bound to have more shadowy dealings than even the movie industry.

GamerGate is a bunch of teenagers and Peter Pan syndrome 20-somethings acting like something is being taken away from them, or that their way of life is threatened. At this point they are getting louder and more nonsensical than even the 3rd gen feminists on tumblr.

Ultimately, the discussion of who paid who to say what is NOT a discussion about video games, and if anything illegal has happened, internet vigilantism is the least effective way to deal with it.

Well said!



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DanneSandin said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think it's important to remember that no matter what GamerGate started out as, it's changed. Media (and not just gaming media - media as a whole) has determined what it is about NOW. The discourse now is about misogyny within the gaming community, that has been determined by the larger debate.

GG "followers" might argue that it's about journalistic integrity, but that's not what is being discussed when talking about GG nowadays; it's shifted towards death threats and online harassment.


Perhaps you should watch few videos before stating something like this, cause that is exactly what those journalists want you to believe. By picking few bad apples and then focusing everything on misogyny and harassment, which neither #gamergate nor #notyourshield condone, quite the opposite, game media is deliberetly diverting issue from its own corruption - which is nothing suprising tbh, specially with, shall I say testimonies, like Tachikoma's in recent thread here, about how deep that rabbit hole goes.

If you want to learn a bit more about all this, you can, for instance, google GamerGate and Totalbiscuit, instead of believing whatever major game media outlets that have a stake in all this are telling you.



HoloDust said:
DanneSandin said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think it's important to remember that no matter what GamerGate started out as, it's changed. Media (and not just gaming media - media as a whole) has determined what it is about NOW. The discourse now is about misogyny within the gaming community, that has been determined by the larger debate.

GG "followers" might argue that it's about journalistic integrity, but that's not what is being discussed when talking about GG nowadays; it's shifted towards death threats and online harassment.


Perhaps you should watch few videos before stating something like this, cause that is exactly what those journalists want you to believe. By picking few bad apples and then focusing everything on misogyny and harassment, which neither #gamergate nor #notyourshield condone, quite the opposite, game media is deliberetly diverting issue from its own corruption - which is nothing suprising tbh, specially with, shall I say testimonies, like Tachikoma's in recent thread here, about how deep that rabbit hole goes.

If you want to learn a bit more about all this, you can, for instance, google GamerGate and Totalbiscuit, instead of believing whatever major game media outlets that have a stake in all this are telling you.

But I'm not talking about game journalism, am I? I said media as a whole has determined what GamerGate is, and it's not about journalistic intregtrity any more. It started out as such, but with all the misogyny, harassments and death threats, that's where the debate has shifted. If you wanna discuss journalistic integrity you really need to start a different movement, move away from the term GG, because no media outlet will take you seriously using that term. I'm NOT saying that game journalism shouldn't be scruttiniesed, but it should be done so without all the other things murking said debate.



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DanneSandin said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think it's important to remember that no matter what GamerGate started out as, it's changed. Media (and not just gaming media - media as a whole) has determined what it is about NOW. The discourse now is about misogyny within the gaming community, that has been determined by the larger debate.

GG "followers" might argue that it's about journalistic integrity, but that's not what is being discussed when talking about GG nowadays; it's shifted towards death threats and online harassment.

I dont agree at all.

Collectively, both the aggressive feminist movement and the gaming press benefit from the destruction of the movement, and have embarked on a campaign over the past 2 months to relentlessly dog and mar the discussion, drag it directly from what it's root cause was for and insist that it's about feminism, in doing so and in the clinical execution of unanimously emploring people to drop the tag, they expose their purpose, and that purpose is to bury any question of corruption and underhanded dealings throughout the games media.

Even if the handful of idiots that took things to a personal level had not done so, do you really think, for a second, that an industry that thrives and makes its bread and butter from such dealings and a deep intertwining of lies and manipulation, are going to be welcoming in any way shape or form, of a movement intent on exposing these?

By forcing the opinions of the neutral to believe that the movement "changed" to one about nothing but hate, they sidestep the responsibility and risk, while turning the movement in to a sitting duck for contraversy and hits, as well as allowing the leaders of this bullshit to springboard their publicity and careers off of the back of it.