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1) Drop the tablet!

No. This is stupid. They have entire games that rely on the game pad. It's also a tool that sets it apart. They actually need to use the game pad better, not less. Discontinuing the game pad is going to piss off a lot of people when they can't play upcoming games because they need to buy a new game pad. Not only that, but the amiibo is coming.

 

2) Nothing is capable of saving the Wii U.

No. Advertising can sell Americans a rock covered in dogsh*t as a tasty snack. Aggressive and smart advertising can save the Wii U, Nintendo just isn't capable of it. More games could save the Wii U as well, but at this point that requires massive restructuring and up-scaling because it's not coming from the outside. Finally, please do not write the Wii U off until the amiibo is come and gone. I thought Skylanders were dumb as hell, then they generated money possibly greater than CoD, selling well over 100,000,000 figures in a little over a year. If the amiibo is only a fraction as successful, it could generate large amounts of cash without even pushing consoles by having an absurd attach rate.

3) Nintendo should announce a new console.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong wrong.

Christ how can you be so wrong.

The Wii U is no longer sold at a loss since May. Announcing a new console while you still have more big releases you're slinging money into ahead of you than behind you is wrong on so many levels I have to question your intelligence for suggesting this. Smash and amiibo next month with Zelda, X, Mario, Star Fox, and likely Metroid in the works as you read this. Announcing a new console now is putting all of those games out to pasture and damaging those franchises. Don't expect it before 2017.

 

4) Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third are bad moves/not console sellers.

These games cater to a demographic that the Wii U currently has almost none of. Their sales will be lower than a Mario, Zelda, Smash, Star Fox, Metroid, etc. That said, they will have a disproportionately large affect on console sales because their audience will likely need to buy a Wii U to play it. Now please notice that I'm talking relative sales here and not absolute. Say Smash sells 2mil copies and moves 500k consoles, but Devil's Third sells 100k copies and 50k consoles, then it sold a disproportionately large number of consoles (2:1 as opposed to 4:1). The benefit of these games is that Nintendo put almost no time into them and salvaged some of these partway into development, spending money to buy time essentially. A little boost to console sales, wide critical acclaim, and exposure is better than the money they spend on the projects.

5) Nintendo should go third party.

No. Nintendo will likely be around longer than the PS or XB brand. Sony could very well go under still due to the rest of the company utterly sucking, and MS isn't exactly pleased with the XB1, especially when they benefit from PC gaming and have a rising interest in smartphone and tablet gaming. On top of that, both consoles are in a graphics race that inevitably ends in "get a f*cking PC". Seriously, PC gaming is on the rise, and nowadays even I can put a PC together. The cost of a PC stronger than the latest consoles is also falling through the floor because consoles are improving so little over time.

The only company not running towards this evolutionary dead end is Nintendo. Yeah, they're struggling with the Wii U but they are coming off of the Wii and DS. The 3DS is no slouch either, it's not as big as the previous handheld, but it is still a money printer and helping to offset the losses incurred by the Wii U. There's a big difference between "not selling what we need" "Not selling as good as X" and "not being profitable".

Also, the profits from the console + games sales > Multiplat sales. That formula may not be as rock solid this gen, but it's held true before and likely will next gen as well.

Yeah, the Wii U has been a total misfire. The only way it could have been worse is if MS had revealed the Wii U by performing another abortion on stage for its release, but come on people. Try to let these dumb ideas die in a fire.



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Is something wrong with posts atm or is it only my screen where that's looking like an unbroken wall of text? I swear I put spacing in there.



That wall of text...it's inpenetrable




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platformmaster918 said:
That wall of text...it's inpenetrable


Yeah I don't get why it's doing that.

Experimental42 said:
1) Drop the tablet! No. This is stupid. They have entire games that rely on the game pad. It's also a tool that sets it apart. They actually need to use the game pad better, not less. Discontinuing the game pad is going to piss off a lot of people when they can't play upcoming games because they need to buy a new game pad. Not only that, but the amiibo is coming.

2) Nothing is capable of saving the Wii U. No. Advertising can sell Americans a rock covered in dogsh*t as a tasty snack. Aggressive and smart advertising can save the Wii U, Nintendo just isn't capable of it. More games could save the Wii U as well, but at this point that requires massive restructuring and up-scaling because it's not coming from the outside. Finally, please do not write the Wii U off until the amiibo is come and gone. I thought Skylanders were dumb as hell, then they generated money possibly greater than CoD, selling well over 100,000,000 figures in a little over a year. If the amiibo is only a fraction as successful, it could generate large amounts of cash without even pushing consoles by having an absurd attach rate.

3) Nintendo should announce a new console. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Wrong wrong. Christ how can you be so wrong. The Wii U is no longer sold at a loss since May. Announcing a new console while you still have more big releases you're slinging money into ahead of you than behind you is wrong on so many levels I have to question your intelligence for suggesting this. Smash and amiibo next month with Zelda, X, Mario, Star Fox, and likely Metroid in the works as you read this. Announcing a new console now is putting all of those games out to pasture and damaging those franchises. Don't expect it before 2017.

4) Bayonetta 2 and Devil's Third are bad moves/not console sellers. These games cater to a demographic that the Wii U currently has almost none of. Their sales will be lower than a Mario, Zelda, Smash, Star Fox, Metroid, etc. That said, they will have a disproportionately large affect on console sales because their audience will likely need to buy a Wii U to play it. Now please notice that I'm talking relative sales here and not absolute. Say Smash sells 2mil copies and moves 500k consoles, but Devil's Third sells 100k copies and 50k consoles, then it sold a disproportionately large number of consoles (2:1 as opposed to 4:1). The benefit of these games is that Nintendo put almost no time into them and salvaged some of these partway into development, spending money to buy time essentially. A little boost to console sales, wide critical acclaim, and exposure is better than the money they spend on the projects.

5) Nintendo should go third party. No. Nintendo will likely be around longer than the PS or XB brand. Sony could very well go under still due to the rest of the company utterly sucking, and MS isn't exactly pleased with the XB1, especially when they benefit from PC gaming and have a rising interest in smartphone and tablet gaming. On top of that, both consoles are in a graphics race that inevitably ends in "get a f*cking PC". Seriously, PC gaming is on the rise, and nowadays even I can put a PC together. The cost of a PC stronger than the latest consoles is also falling through the floor because consoles are improving so little over time. The only company not running towards this evolutionary dead end is Nintendo. Yeah, they're struggling with the Wii U but they are coming off of the Wii and DS. The 3DS is no slouch either, it's not as big as the previous handheld, but it is still a money printer and helping to offset the losses incurred by the Wii U. There's a big difference between "not selling what we need" "Not selling as good as X" and "not being profitable". Also, the profits from the console + games sales > Multiplat sales. That formula may not be as rock solid this gen, but it's held true before and likely will next gen as well. Yeah, the Wii U has been a total misfire. The only way it could have been worse is if MS had revealed the Wii U by performing another abortion on stage for its release, but come on people. Try to let these dumb ideas die in a fire.

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platformmaster918 said:

spaced it out a little


Thanks. I figured out it was an issue with noscript messing up the format lol. Should be fixed now.



Agree with most except 4 and 5. Bayonetta and Devils Thirds. Both of them are bad/weak investments and that will be blindingly clear on release.

I agree that Nintendo needs to diversify its portfolio, so did sony but that didn't make Knack and good launch title lol. No one will buy a Wii U to play devils third, Beyonetta is too niche to make a big difference but it will be the strongest system seller in the west outside of the west. Before Nintendo can really worry about reaching to a whole new audience (with one compelling mature game- Bayo), they need to worry about actually securing their core audience whom are still largely avoiding the Wii U. A Platinum produced Starfox arriving this year would have done significantly more to hardware then Bayo. Devils Third simply shouldn't exist.

I'm not with the whole Nintendo going 3rd party argument but the Xbox and Playstation brands are more powerful then Nintendo's. If sony went down under someone would keep hold of playstation, same with xbox. In the console space Xbox is a more reliable brand then Ninty and Sony's last 3 consoles have sold double the amount of Nintendo's last 3. The 3rd party argument exists because Nintendo's power is in ''Mario'' not in ''Nintendo''. Where Microsoft and Sonys powers lie in their respective console brands more then their IPs.

edit: Actually Nintendo really could drop the tablet. There are like 2 wii U games that need it really and they're not even the best selling. Everything else can be played with a normal gamepad or wii remote. They can always bundle the gamepad seperately with Nintendo Land and Wii U play and Splatoon when it eventually arrives.



I disagree with almost everything you said.



    

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I agree completely. All 5 of those things are wrong because they will NOT benefit Nintendo in any way. Just make their situation much worse. Sometimes I wonder if by suggesting such illogical ideas is on purpose.



Point 2 - Should be "nIntendo is not capable of saving the wii u"

I think Microsoft is the only console manufacturer that is truly safe with their extensive resources. Nintendo is at a cross roads at the moment with both business models under attack, and sony is probably chin deep in financial shit with no signs of the death spiral stopping

The rest seems reasonable to me