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Any guesses on total sales for this generation? We won't know until 2010-2011 at the earliest, so you'll lose nothing by guessing. I have the portables total userbase like this... DS - 65-75 million PSP - 31-38 million Consoles: 360 - XBOX sold about 16 million in N.A...roughly as sucessful as the Sega Genesis..360 has a larger presence in N.A. and the 'other' territories.. I'd say it sells 30-40 million NA: 18-23 million Others: 12-16 million Jap: .5-1.5 mill. Wii - Wii could be huge in all three territories...But I think it will only be huge in Japan. It will appeal to more gamers in N.A. and 'others' than Game Cube I'd say it sells 40-50 million GC had 12 million in the N.A.... NA : 16-20 million Others: 10-15 milllion Japan: 13-18 million I'd say it sells 39-53 million PS3 - No console company has ever been on top for more than 2 generations. Pattern seems to be holding true. Sony has built up good will with gamers, but the business models of Microsoft and Nintendo are better. NA: 14-18 million Others: 11-16 million Japan: 8-12 million I'd say it sells 33-46 million



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^your high end model is 139 million total sales, 26 million less than this generation^ Very dependant on price cutting and when next generation actually comes about. D.S. 65 million PSP 50 million PS3 total/Japan/Americas/others 60-70 12/25/*25* Wii 50-60 *18*/20/15 Xbox 360 50-60 2/*35*/17



Lifetime Sales Prediction - 6/29/2013
Wii U - 38 million
XBOX One - 88 million
Playstation 4 - 145 million

My predictions are based on the assumption that the next console cycle begins in late 2011, that Sony does not lower the PS3's price until 2008 or 2009, and that the rest of the systems experience at least a 20% drop in price before 2009. (Also, the handheld side is just assuming Nintendo continues to sell through every single DS unit they manufacture.) DS - 99 million (32 JP, 34 NA, 33 EU) PSP - 37 million (7 JP, 14 NA, 16 EU) PS3 - 38 million (8 JP, 13 NA, 17 EU) Wii - 70 million (23 JP, 22 NA, 23 EU) 360 - 47 million (1.5 JP, 25.5 NA, 20 EU/Other)



catofellow said: ^your high end model is 139 million total sales, 26 million less than this generation^ Very dependant on price cutting and when next generation actually comes about. D.S. 65 million PSP 50 million PS3 total/Japan/Americas/others 60-70 12/25/*25* Wii 50-60 *18*/20/15 Xbox 360 50-60 2/*35*/17
I'd say this is the most logical, as this user has clearly examined the market, in how the consumers and the companies react. I would just shave off 15-20 Mil off both the PSP and DS sales, and about 10M off the Wii and 5M off the 360. (The GBA and GBA SP have sold about 60M, so I don't think either the DS or PSP will get anywhere near there.) I would put the PS3 and Wii at equal in Japan, and the 360 equal or about 5M higher than the PS3 in the U.S., and I would put the PS3 about 5M less in Europe.



Typhoid Larry said: My predictions are based on the assumption that the next console cycle begins in late 2011, that Sony does not lower the PS3's price until 2008 or 2009, and that the rest of the systems experience at least a 20% drop in price before 2009. (Also, the handheld side is just assuming Nintendo continues to sell through every single DS unit they manufacture.) DS - 99 million (32 JP, 34 NA, 33 EU) PSP - 37 million (7 JP, 14 NA, 16 EU) PS3 - 38 million (8 JP, 13 NA, 17 EU) Wii - 70 million (23 JP, 22 NA, 23 EU) 360 - 47 million (1.5 JP, 25.5 NA, 20 EU/Other)
I find it funny how some people just don't know how the market and consumers react, except for their little isolated group. Look at the DS, it's selling about 1.7:1 PSP in the U.S., and it will drop down to 1.5 or 1.3 when the price of the PSP drops. And the GBA and GBA SP sold about 60M cumulative, so I find it extremely unlikely for the entire PSP and DS consoles to sell double that. The price of the PS3 and PSP are the highest factor in the sales, and Sony would have to be extremely stupid to not to drop the price in 07. And when the PSP has a lot better year than the DS, in terms of higher ratings of games and more games that are rated, you have to see that the tides will probably change, or at least move a lot more towards the PSP when the price falls. I can see this happening for the PS3, because a lot of people aren't willing to pay $600 or $500 for a PS3 right now, but will be willing to pay $400 or $500 for a PS3 now. That's basically all you hear about the talk about the PS3 and PSP, in that they are too expensive. Barely anyone talks about how the PSP has had crap for games (even though it has had a better year than the DS), and most talk about how it's too expensive. The PS3, most people just say it's not worth $600 or $500, but a lot of them would be willing to spend that much if it had a lot of AAA games.



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DS - 85 million (30 JP, 25 NA, 30 EU) PSP - 38 million (6 JP, 18 NA, 14 EU) PS3 - 46 million (8 JP, 20 NA, 18 EU) Wii - 68 million (25 JP, 18 NA, 25 EU) 360 - 47 million (1 JP, 28 NA, 18 EU) I think in Europe most people wouldn't pay more than $300 for a console. The people who bought a PS2 or PS1 will buy a PS3 but not everybody because for the european people its to expensive. Sony said that they wont drop the price in 07 because they lose per PS3 $200. In my opinion they will drop the price in summer 08 or fall because they arent able to drop the before. But this will be too late. A lot of people who bought a PS2 will buy a 360 because most games for PS3 and 360 are the same. The Wii will win in Japan too because a lot of japanese dev. will make games for it. In US the 360 will be win follow by PS3 because for the american the price isnt a so big problem than for the japanese and european market.



AmishGramish said: Look at the DS, it's selling about 1.7:1 PSP in the U.S., and it will drop down to 1.5 or 1.3 when the price of the PSP drops. And the GBA and GBA SP sold about 60M cumulative, so I find it extremely unlikely for the entire PSP and DS consoles to sell double that. The price of the PS3 and PSP are the highest factor in the sales, and Sony would have to be extremely stupid to not to drop the price in 07. And when the PSP has a lot better year than the DS, in terms of higher ratings of games and more games that are rated, you have to see that the tides will probably change, or at least move a lot more towards the PSP when the price falls. I can see this happening for the PS3, because a lot of people aren't willing to pay $600 or $500 for a PS3 right now, but will be willing to pay $400 or $500 for a PS3 now. That's basically all you hear about the talk about the PS3 and PSP, in that they are too expensive. Barely anyone talks about how the PSP has had crap for games (even though it has had a better year than the DS), and most talk about how it's too expensive. The PS3, most people just say it's not worth $600 or $500, but a lot of them would be willing to spend that much if it had a lot of AAA games.
Believe... Seriously, people are here trying to predict sales, and not trying to say that X is the best or [whatever you want here] has got the best games... (and all those fanboys arguments). Sony has distributed 1.79 million PSP during the last quarter (where everyone got the best sales), wich means for me that sales are really low AND their stocks are huge.



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AmishGramish said: I find it funny how some people just don't know how the market and consumers react, except for their little isolated group. Look at the DS, it's selling about 1.7:1 PSP in the U.S., and it will drop down to 1.5 or 1.3 when the price of the PSP drops. And the GBA and GBA SP sold about 60M cumulative, so I find it extremely unlikely for the entire PSP and DS consoles to sell double that.
First of all, GBA has sold about 80 million total. Second, lots of the big games on both PSP and DS don't hit the same market as GBA, so its not like the two systems are competing for 80 million potential customers period. The two systems combined have already well outsold the GBA in Japan, for example. As for the gap between the PSP and DS outside of Japan, it has only been getting larger. PSP outsold DS by over a million units in NA in 2005, almost catching up in overall sales. But in 2006, DS outsold PSP by over 2 million units in that territory. Will a price cut help PSP? Sure. But Nintendo are actually probably in a better position for a price cut themselves (less units on shelves they need to sell-through, already seeing more profit from both hardware and software), which would get them down to that magical 100USD mark. And they've got Pokemon coming up, along with Diddy Kong and Wario and a slew of Squeenix games which could push them up to GBA type numbers in NA. (They've already got GBA numbers in Europe, and GBA x2 numbers in Japan.) Plus at this point, how are Sony going to get more support for PSP when it has longer dev times and a much smaller installed base? And what do they have coming up to compete with Pokemon? Ratchet and Clank? I think this war is over; the gap is just going to get larger. Depending on when each company's next handheld comes out, I see DS selling between 80-100+ million, and PSP around 40-45 million.
The price of the PS3 and PSP are the highest factor in the sales, and Sony would have to be extremely stupid to not to drop the price in 07.
Considering they aren't making any money as is, it'd be stupid of them TO drop the price. The suits at Sony aren't going to be agreeable to losing MORE, when the PS division is already burning the profits of the whole rest of the company. As PS2 dies, and PS3 doesn't promise profits any time soon, the division is going to have to look to PSP to keep them from putting up Microsoft-style losses in the long term.
And when the PSP has a lot better year than the DS, in terms of higher ratings of games and more games that are rated, you have to see that the tides will probably change, or at least move a lot more towards the PSP when the price falls.
Or you could take that as a sign that videogame reviewers are out of touch with the DS. Many of the key DS games are aimed at non-gamers. Its no surprise that the traditional gamers (who do most of the reviews out there) rank traditional games higher than "non-games."
I can see this happening for the PS3, because a lot of people aren't willing to pay $600 or $500 for a PS3 right now, but will be willing to pay $400 or $500 for a PS3 now. That's basically all you hear about the talk about the PS3 and PSP, in that they are too expensive. Barely anyone talks about how the PSP has had crap for games (even though it has had a better year than the DS), and most talk about how it's too expensive. The PS3, most people just say it's not worth $600 or $500, but a lot of them would be willing to spend that much if it had a lot of AAA games.
Most of the talk I've heard around PS3 is that its too expensive, while the talk around PSP is that the games don't make sense for a handheld, even if they are great games.



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Everything sold around 100% better.