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Brii said:
McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
While this video is clearly satire, there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media

Care to elaborate on that opinion?


Ok. People are free to criticize of course, but I think that the integrity of the art form suffers when games are viewed not on their own terms as aesthetic statements, but instead analyzed and condemned for their supposed implications on society at large. 


No offense, but that's kind of nonsense. All art forms recieve criticism based on supposed or intentonial societal implications, and have for centuries. The fact that games are being held to that standard actually helps validate them as an artform, since something that has no real artistic merit can't be viewed with a critical eye. Games are not immune to cultural criticism just because gamers want them to be, and they shouldn't be. They don't exist in a vaccuum.

Pretty much this.



http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030

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McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
While this video is clearly satire, there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media

Care to elaborate on that opinion?


Ok. People are free to criticize of course, but I think that the integrity of the art form suffers when games are viewed not on their own terms as aesthetic statements, but instead analyzed and condemned for their supposed implications on society at large. 

That in no way explains why "there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media"

I don't see why not. SJWs create a toxic environment for creative expression.


Except they don't and there is no real proof that they do. if anything the video highlights that SJW's in games at least actually highlight and enhance creative expression since ya know they are all about trying to figure out what it's like to be others and caring about things other than themselves.. 



http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030

All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)

Brii said:
McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
While this video is clearly satire, there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media

Care to elaborate on that opinion?


Ok. People are free to criticize of course, but I think that the integrity of the art form suffers when games are viewed not on their own terms as aesthetic statements, but instead analyzed and condemned for their supposed implications on society at large. 


No offense, but that's kind of nonsense. All art forms recieve criticism based on supposed or intentonial societal implications, and have for centuries. The fact that games are being held to that standard actually helps validate them as an artform, since something that has no real artistic merit can't be viewed with a critical eye. Games are not immune to cultural criticism just because gamers want them to be, and they shouldn't be. They don't exist in a vaccuum.

Well I disagree. The whole idea of cultural criticism reduces art to a tool for effecting societal change, which undermines the significance of art. Art exists for its own sake.



Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:
While this video is clearly satire, there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media

Care to elaborate on that opinion?


Ok. People are free to criticize of course, but I think that the integrity of the art form suffers when games are viewed not on their own terms as aesthetic statements, but instead analyzed and condemned for their supposed implications on society at large. 

That in no way explains why "there is no doubt that sjws are a plague on gaming and all media"

I don't see why not. SJWs create a toxic environment for creative expression.


Except they don't and there is no real proof that they do. if anything the video highlights that SJW's in games at least actually highlight and enhance creative expression since ya know they are all about trying to figure out what it's like to be others and caring about things other than themselves.. 

No, you just end up with scripted morality plays.



That was an...........interesting video? :S



                
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McGilliguts said:

Well I disagree. The whole idea of cultural criticism reduces art to a tool for effecting societal change, which undermines the significance of art. Art exists for its own sake.


if anything, if art is used to create change then that strengthens the significance and importance of art. What actually undermines it is your perspective of using it purely for entertainment. Art is meant to provoke thought and internal examination of not only yourself and the world around you. That often leads to change. What you seem to be advocating is the end of that examination which would actually be detrimental to society.



http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030

All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)

McGilliguts said:

No, you just end up with scripted morality plays.


No it doesn't. It increases your ability to relate to the character and makes the experience more enjoyable and thought provoking as well as increasing immersion. Unless of course you have an inability to feel or relate to others then I can see how pure and mindless violence and depravity could be more entertaining to someone because otherwise they would likely feel annoyed and frustrated.



http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030

All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)

Wasted too much of my time on that video. It's like the term SJW just appeared a few weeks ago and is now expected to be regarded as being an actual thing?!

People are always gonna just bitch and moan. Ignore them and do what you love doing... as long as it's constitutional



Nicklesbe said:
McGilliguts said:

No, you just end up with scripted morality plays.


No it doesn't. It increases your ability to relate to the character and makes the experience more enjoyable and thought provoking as well as increasing immersion. Unless of course you have an inability to feel or relate to others then I can see how pure and mindless violence and depravity could be more entertaining to someone because otherwise they would likely feel annoyed and frustrated.

I think it's plain from your responses that you have a very narrow view of what should constitute societally acceptable art, which is why such moral crusades are always the enemy of free expression, and therefore of art itself.



McGilliguts said:

I think it's plain from your responses that you have a very narrow view of what should constitute societally acceptable art, which is why such moral crusades are always the enemy of free expression, and thereby of art itself.


No it's really not. You are simply seeing what you want to see because I disagree and you don't understand why you are wrong. I don't have a narrow view of what should be acceptable. That would be censorship and I don't believe in censorship of any kind period. What you advocate is really a type of censorship because you believe art is best when it has no power to influence people or society which makes both art and society weaker.



http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030

All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)