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o_O.Q said:

you haven't yet cited why egypt does not apply or sumer for that matter

those civilisations in some respects showed evidence of technology that even today we don't completely understand

Not that i have an opinion on the matter, but the racist person will likely mention that Egyptians and certainly Sumerians are not Sub-Saharan Africans and are vastly different in terms of genetic affinity (Africa is the most diverse [genetically] continent, so much so that two populations in Africa can be more genetically different in terms of affinity than Europeans and Australian Aborigines, for example.) The Sahara acted as a barrier, and while there was some geneflow to North Africa (10-20%) it won't affect their abilties (again the normative statement is according to the racist, not me.) Basically to a racist/racialist Egyptians and Sumerians, even if they have/had skin as dark as some Sub-Saharan Africans are not part of the same race as Sub-Saharan Africans (race is more than skin color to them.) 



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reggin_bolas said:

I think that's a very hurtful and baseless accusation which I hope you will withdraw without pause. 


Then by all means explain why you specifically reject the suggestion of egypt.



sc94597 said:
o_O.Q said:

you haven't yet cited why egypt does not apply or sumer for that matter

those civilisations in some respects showed evidence of technology that even today we don't completely understand

Not that i have an opinion on the matter, but the racist person will likely mention that Egyptians and certainly Sumerians are not Sub-Saharan Africans and are vastly different in terms of genetic affinity (Africa is the most diverse [genetically] continent, so much so that two populations in Africa can be more genetically different in terms of affinity than Europeans and Australian Aborigines, for example.) The Sahara acted as a barrier, and while there was some geneflow to North Africa (10-20%) it won't affect their abilties (again the normative statement is according to the racist, not me.) Basically to a racist/racialist Egyptians and Sumerians, even if they have/had skin as dark as some Sub-Saharan Africans are not part of the same race as Sub-Saharan Africans (race is more than skin color to them.) 

oh ok fair enough didn't see it like that



Wow, what stupid things to say. Ignore his racist comments.



    

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Tamron said:
reggin_bolas said:

I think that's a very hurtful and baseless accusation which I hope you will withdraw without pause. 


Then by all means explain why you specifically reject the suggestion of egypt.


Because I already know that's not a valid argument to bring up against someone so narrow minded as he appears to be. Plus, I did some reading on it and the origins of the Egyptians is highly controversial. 

There seems to be some kind of comingling between different groups of people which made up the racial pedigree of the ancient Egyptians. To me that's like saying Jesus was black. He wasn't White that's for sure but he wasn't Black either. 

 

 



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reggin_bolas said:

 

There seems to be some kind of comingling between different groups of people which made up the racial pedigree of the ancient Egyptians. To me that's like saying Jesus was black. He wasn't White that's for sure but he wasn't Black either. 

I still fail, entirely, to see why you're putting in the effort to have this argument with him in the first place.

If you want us to "set him straight" link to the forum and user in question, if you want to be the one that sets him straight, do so with your own effort and research, otherwise any minor victory you earn is a hollow one.

If you can't "set him straight" with what you know alone, perhaps you shouldn't be having the argument to begin with.

Lastly, people, be they religious nuts or racists, are usually stuck in their ways, if he is indeed racist, nothing you couple possibly bring to the argument is going to change that, he will just find reason, or source to counter anything you bring, because the internet is filled with contradicting authoritive information, by human nature everyone thinks theyre right and others are wrong.

So why even bother?



JazzB1987 said:
reggin_bolas said:

So I'm reading a post from this guy at another website I will not name who claims that Blacks are generally less intelligent than other people/races of the world.

He cites to the fact that only 16 (out of 800) Nobel prize laureates have been Black of which only 4 have recieved awards in categories other than Peace. The Peace prize is considered less prestigious than other disciplines, many of which require an education. Filtered by continent as well, Africa has produced the fewest winners out of any other populated continent in the whole world.

He also claims that there has been no civilization that has flourished under majority Black leadership beyond mere tribal status in the African continent. To be more than tribal, the civilization has to have achieved significant advances in cultural institutitons (e.g. art, education), warfare, technology, and/or commerce. Significant to mean avant-garde, at a rate above simularly situated people/cultures at the time. 

Please don't cite to Egypt as a refutal. How would you debunk this idiot? I'm curious because I don't know how to respond to him. 

 

Dont misinterpret my post please but science actually says this is true. Its not like one becomes einstein and the other is a neanderthaler or whatever its just single digits in percentage or whatever. This has actually not much inpact in reallife.
It also just works if everyone would live the exact same life with the same childhood/education etc.

According to the studies it goes like that:
from "smart to not so smat"
Asians
Caucasians
Arabs etc.
Blacks

And from strong to weak its the exact opposite
Blacks are the strongerst physically
Arabs etc.
Caucasians
Asians.


This of course does not mean that a black person cannot be smarter than average asians. Its just the general "starting point". It has not much to do with racism but with evolution (what ethnicity used which part more in the past) and circumstances of life.

About the civilization thing. Some parts of Europe were just lucky to find out some things then it started to educate people. This could also have happened in africa but that was not the case it was just a coincidence nothing else (not every tribe in America was technologically advanced as the Aztecs/Maya etc and not every tribe in Europe was as advanced as Greeks/Romans)  Then Europe also advanced technologically because every country wanted to destroy the neighbouring country. War is one of the reasons.

In the last few hundred years africa simply had no chance to advance because Europe invaded Africa and because of slavery and whatnot. Even today we take advantage of Africa being "chaotic". We send food instead of infrastrucute because we want them to be dependant. The only thing of value farmers there can produce is food but because of our "free food" the farmers cannot sell their products.  We should built infrastructure to help them help themselves or leave them alone.

The west also gets cheaper minerals / diamonds etc because of the chaos there. And the dictators/regimes etc get more power thanks to our money we used to buy diamonds etc which results in even more chaos.

Europe was just lucky nothing else.


Blacks speak their first words when they're 3 to 8 months old.

Whites speak their first words when they're 14 months to 4 years old.

Excluding something like 2% of blacks & whites.

Blacks are much more naturally better at math & science & literacy when it comes to natural talents.

Whites & Asians naturally suck at math & science.

The female gender is also naturally talented in science.

Blacks carbonized the light bulb and co-created the original light bulb.

Blacks invented rock music which use to be called negro music, until e name of e genre was change from negro to rock.

And black peoples bodies naturally produce a lot of its own omega-3 fatty acids, especially black women, which is why their hips can be soo big while their waist is soo small. And the more fried chicken they eat the more their bodies produce even. Ore of eir own omega-3 fatty acids, which is why there are always certain people of each race who have such a craving for fried chicken.

 

May I ask how was that study you post about, done?



bobfulci said:
JazzB1987 said:
reggin_bolas said:

So I'm reading a post from this guy at another website I will not name who claims that Blacks are generally less intelligent than other people/races of the world.

He cites to the fact that only 16 (out of 800) Nobel prize laureates have been Black of which only 4 have recieved awards in categories other than Peace. The Peace prize is considered less prestigious than other disciplines, many of which require an education. Filtered by continent as well, Africa has produced the fewest winners out of any other populated continent in the whole world.

He also claims that there has been no civilization that has flourished under majority Black leadership beyond mere tribal status in the African continent. To be more than tribal, the civilization has to have achieved significant advances in cultural institutitons (e.g. art, education), warfare, technology, and/or commerce. Significant to mean avant-garde, at a rate above simularly situated people/cultures at the time. 

Please don't cite to Egypt as a refutal. How would you debunk this idiot? I'm curious because I don't know how to respond to him. 

 

Dont misinterpret my post please but science actually says this is true. Its not like one becomes einstein and the other is a neanderthaler or whatever its just single digits in percentage or whatever. This has actually not much inpact in reallife.
It also just works if everyone would live the exact same life with the same childhood/education etc.

According to the studies it goes like that:
from "smart to not so smat"
Asians
Caucasians
Arabs etc.
Blacks

And from strong to weak its the exact opposite
Blacks are the strongerst physically
Arabs etc.
Caucasians
Asians.


This of course does not mean that a black person cannot be smarter than average asians. Its just the general "starting point". It has not much to do with racism but with evolution (what ethnicity used which part more in the past) and circumstances of life.

About the civilization thing. Some parts of Europe were just lucky to find out some things then it started to educate people. This could also have happened in africa but that was not the case it was just a coincidence nothing else (not every tribe in America was technologically advanced as the Aztecs/Maya etc and not every tribe in Europe was as advanced as Greeks/Romans)  Then Europe also advanced technologically because every country wanted to destroy the neighbouring country. War is one of the reasons.

In the last few hundred years africa simply had no chance to advance because Europe invaded Africa and because of slavery and whatnot. Even today we take advantage of Africa being "chaotic". We send food instead of infrastrucute because we want them to be dependant. The only thing of value farmers there can produce is food but because of our "free food" the farmers cannot sell their products.  We should built infrastructure to help them help themselves or leave them alone.

The west also gets cheaper minerals / diamonds etc because of the chaos there. And the dictators/regimes etc get more power thanks to our money we used to buy diamonds etc which results in even more chaos.

Europe was just lucky nothing else.

This issue goes far deeper  education and environment. This goes into our DNA and the differences we have in regard to learning and ability. The problem is that we continue to live under illusion that we are all created equal and that simply is not the case. We all have different strengths and weaknesses and yes this can be applied race by race. Unfortunately, having a frank conversation about race in this country will never happen. If you need proof this simply look at what's happening already..people being called "racist" and people generally freaking out. The so-called racist was simply pointing out a few facts and it's hard to argue against them. For example; if you attempt to correlate race and poverty and then review them along racial lines you will see a disproportionate number of crime committed by blacks. Do your own honest research and then have a calm reasonable attempt at debunking using hard facts.


What I don't get about DNA is that white people descendent from many generations of educated people while black people descendent from only a few generations of some education, but black people are naturally really talented in math & science & literacy, while white people really suck at all these things. 



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I would not even bother to deal with this kind of garbage, these kind of people really do not deserve our time or atention.
But, well, you know, racism never leads to nothing good, see Italy, Japan and Germany in 1939...



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