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geolight09 said:
Wii u:200
3ds:245

Ps4:30
Vita:6

Look I can make up numbers 2


you talk like black goku, hahaha.

no offense.



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DerNebel said:
sc94597 said:

Just some short points

1. The 3rd/4th year is generally the height of a consoles life, the decline that the 3DS is experiencing is not normal and can be attributed to the second point

2. By the end of 2011 the 3DS was already retailing for $170, you know what that did? It changed the sales curve, it made people buy the thing way earlier then they normally would have. That can be seen especially in Japan.

3. The PS4 will not stay at approximately 100k/week until November, Fifa and Destiny alone should give the system decent/huge boosts. Also 3.4mil this holiday for the PS4? It will easily do more than that. You can expect the PS4 to stand at around 15mil by the end of the year.

4. It doesn't matter when the 3DS stops selling, what matters is the amount the 3DS will manage to sell, a number you kinda forget to estimate, I personally say it will not beat 80mil.

5. To compare the PS4 to those other systems first year just by their sales numbers is forgetting a lot of important side information, like price or games. The PS4 is still $400 and it is quite often lovingly said that it has "no gaemz". What do you think is going to happen if those things change?

1. Yes, the 3DS peaked in its 3rd year. And the only direction it can go from peaking is down. It is still selling around the same weekly as the PS4, and likely will for a while. 

2. $170 for a handheld does not translate as $170 for a home console. The demand curve for a home console is likely much more inelastic than that of a handheld. That means it responds less to differences in prices than a handheld will (the difference in price must be greater.) At $170 a PS4 would likely sell a lot, but not even PS3's sell for $170 new (unless you adjust for bundled games) these days. So it is unreasonable to compare it 1:1. $170 is a lot for a handheld, just like $400 is a lot for a home console. 

3. Still, that is only 2 mil more than the 3DS' first year, and that is with two holidays, not one. 

4. 80 mil sounds reasonable to me. The question is, will the PS4 sell 100 million though, and I just don't think it will. The market (as a whole) is in a decline and has more external competition this time around (PC gaming; Mobile gaming.) Again, we must have faith that the PS4's legs will be long, and it is based on precedent, yes, but in order for that to happen developers need to release many different types of games that appeal to a variety of people (along the lines of PS2, Wii, DS.) PS4 seems to be much more like the PS1 in that it very much appeals to a certain group of people so much so that all people in that group want a PS4, but the consequence of this is a lower saturation point. I can see the PS4 and 3DS ending somewhere close, with PS4 having more potential I suppose. But who knows, maybe the PS4 will have the mainstream appeal that gives it its legs. 

5. If adjusted for inflation, the PS2 would have been $401.65, the PS1 $453.86, the Wii $286.84. I won't compare handhelds though. All PS consoles started out with weak game libraries, from what I recall. PS4 started ahead of all of these consoles with its launch, and now is dipping far below. The issue isn't whether or not it will get games, but when it will get the games. The sooner the more Sony can remove much of the competition by maintain momentum. 



3ds + wii U > ps4 + vita


vita 15m max
wii U 25m if no successor comes early
3ds 70m
ps4 70m



DerNebel said:
sc94597 said:
DerNebel said:

1. The 3DS is not consistently outselling the PS4.

2. The 3DS sales are not going to drop off, they are already dropping off, the 3DS is seriously down YoY. And that is only going to continue over the next years.

1. Now that the PS4 has stabilized from its launch, we can somewhat get an idea of sales. The PS4 sold about 3.8 million this year so far (including its Japanese launch which accounts for about 600,000 of those consoles.) The 3DS sold about 2.9 million this year so far. Some weeks the 3DS is number one, some weeks the PS4 is number one (that is what I meant by consistently, as in reoccuring - not a fluke that happens one week and never again.) 

2. Dropping off and declining mean two different things to me. Any console in its fourth year will see a decline, just because of market saturation. Dropping off would be what the Wii did. To go from selling in first place by and overwhelming amount to last place within a span of less than a year. To assume that the PS4 won't drop off after it reaches its peak is delusional. Compare the 3DS at this point in its lifetime with the PS4. By the end of 2011, the 3DS was at about 13.2 million world-wide. With PS4 sales remaining at approximately 100k/ week until November. It would have to sell 3.4 million this holiday to match the 3DS. Do note, that in 2011 the 3DS JUST released in the U.S and EU in March 2011 and  in Japan that February. That means at the end of 2011 the 3DS only had ONE holiday, not two. AND 2011 wasn't its best sales year. Now I will predict that the - 80% YoY for the 3DS won't stick with the holidays (it is always down or even YoY and then the holidays come.) So the sales should be similar to 2011's sales or at least the PS4's sales. To catch up with the 3DS, assuming the 3DS stops selling in 2017, the PS4 will have to outsell it by about 2.4 mil per year that it is active (on average), assuming 14 million PS4 sales for two years after the 3DS is discontinued. That is JUST to catch up, with a lot of assumptions in favor of the PS4 (3DS stops selling in 2017; PS4 sells 14 million 2018 and 2019; etc.) To believe the PS4 will VASTLY outsell the 3DS is ridiculous, considering how poorly the PS4 is doing right now relative to other successful consoles (Wii, DS, 3DS, PS1, PS2.) The only thing that will make it happen is a huge spike in PS4 sales, and with games far off, that just won't happen anytime soon, and by then hype might wear thin. But that is all speculation, which nobody can answer. As it is now, if we extrapolate, it just won't happen the way some predict it to. If we speculate, then of course, anything is possible. 

Just some short points

1. The 3rd/4th year is generally the height of a consoles life, the decline that the 3DS is experiencing is not normal and can be attributed to the second point

2. By the end of 2011 the 3DS was already retailing for $170, you know what that did? It changed the sales curve, it made people buy the thing way earlier then they normally would have. That can be seen especially in Japan.

3. The PS4 will not stay at approximately 100k/week until November, Fifa and Destiny alone should give the system decent/huge boosts. Also 3.4mil this holiday for the PS4? It will easily do more than that. You can expect the PS4 to stand at around 15mil by the end of the year.

4. It doesn't matter when the 3DS stops selling, what matters is the amount the 3DS will manage to sell, a number you kinda forget to estimate, I personally say it will not beat 80mil.

5. To compare the PS4 to those other systems first year just by their sales numbers is forgetting a lot of important side information, like price or games. The PS4 is still $400 and it is quite often lovingly said that it has "no gaemz". What do you think is going to happen if those things change?


oh... ,  i analyzed sales ,my estimate for ps4 sales is ,14- 15-16million by the end of the year so we agree in this, wii u 10.2 million. xbox  8.5 to 9.5 million 3ds a bold 52-55mil , p:P as for 3ds decline  in numbers,is jan-jun 13 4.4 mil vs 2.9 jan jun 2014:P



Twilord said:

So would anyone like to make any guesses of how many total units both dual-systems ecosystems will sell. For the sake of a date, lets put it at Jan 1st 2019.

 

I kinda expect a 100M from both pairs - with the PS4 and 3DS remaining each companies trumph-cards, but with the PS4 beating the 3DS by amount as much (or perhaps less) than the Wii-U beats the Vita.

i support you twilord,i m gamer who also thinks that 3ds series will reach 100million



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Will sell about the same + or - 14 million.



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justgames7604 said:
geolight09 said:
Wii u:200
3ds:245

Ps4:30
Vita:6

Look I can make up numbers 2


you talk like black goku, hahaha.

no offense.

That's because it WAS black goku....again lol.....I seriously think that dude needs some help.....he can't stay away lol.



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FromDK said:
TheBlackNaruto said:


Wait wait wait you HONESTLY think that the sales of the Wii U will be EQUAL to that of the PS4?  How? Will the PS4 disapper from the market for a year or two or something? I mean it has already EASILY passed the Wii U and it is not even a year old yet. It is more expensive and has less games and is LITERALLY destroying the Wii U right now. So how in the world will the Wii U reach and tie with the PS4? I am not being funny I am seriously wondering here. 

(first.. you do understand that my estimate are based on how i think thishole gen will be.. not how fast each console get out of the  gate)

OK.. :)

The Ps4 will not disapper from the market.. but (i think) sales will slow (even) more down.. and WiiU will pass in weekly sales. (before this cristmas)

This is based on (for me) the fact that Nintendo offer so much more value and games for the "casual/family" than PS4 and One.

Why I think will take a big piece of the market we call "casuals" (the ones not yet entered this gen.. the +70% of all console/videogame players)

Better price.. better games.. new experinces.. More fun..

Oh yeah I knew you were talking about lifetime so we were clear there lol.

Okay so you are saying the PS4 will drop more than 50% of it's current sales? Because that is the only way for the Wii U to pass it in weekly sales. I don't see that happening...especially with TLOU of bundle coming, followed by the Driveclub Bundle and the White PS4 Destiny bundle all this year at that. So those will give a nice sales boost. And Christmans will be a toss up but even then I still see both the XB1 and the PS4 selling more than the Wii U. Then the PS4 will seel MORE the next two years maybe 3 than it did this year as well.

And yeah Nin does offer more casual/family games than the PS4/XB1 no argument there. But the casuals that you speak of....they usually go for whatever is most popular not what is most family friendly. And the only thing more popular than the PS4 at the moment as far as gaming goes are tablets and smart phones. And the casuals are already here this gen and growing and the sales of the Wii U are still low.

As for you last point, the Wii U already has a better price and better games yet is CONSISTENTLY getting outsold EASY. So that is not helping....more fun all depends on personal preference. And what new experiences does the Wii U offer?Don't get me wrong I am not down playing the Wii U because I think it has some very good games. But the reality is there is no logical way for it out of the blue explode in sales. It already has ALL the advantages that a system could have(first to the market, most/highest rated games and lowest price) to sell the most yet it is not.



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Reality is setting in for Sony, I don't see them breaking the PS2 off it's throne with the PS4 for a couple reasons, The ps2 came down in price a lot and had several models. eventually getting to that 100 a pop cost. PS4 for the foreseeable future wont see major price changes, mainly because of the cost to keep an ecosystem running. MS knew this well before Sony and is better prepared for it. As for numbers, it won't break the Wii but... yeah. PS Vita is a very niche device and it's own hardware is it's downfall. Too expensive, too difficult (like the PS3) to program for. The fact is mobile games dont have triple A budgets so it makes the hardware useless. 3DS has the advantage here because most games are wrote from scratch for it so it has better compatibility and is easier to program for. Wii U has a wide arrange of supported languages and is very indie friendly. From recent reports, Wii U has been one of the easiest platforms to program for with plenty of potential.

PS4: 98
PSV: 16

Wii U: 28
3DS/2DS: 81

I'm being pretty generous from a programmers standpoint. I would love to create games for the Wii U, if I had the time between life and school



amak11 said:
Reality is setting in for Sony, I don't see them breaking the PS2 off it's throne with the PS4 for a couple reasons, The ps2 came down in price a lot and had several models. eventually getting to that 100 a pop cost. PS4 for the foreseeable future wont see major price changes, mainly because of the cost to keep an ecosystem running. MS knew this well before Sony and is better prepared for it. As for numbers, it won't break the Wii but... yeah. PS Vita is a very niche device and it's own hardware is it's downfall. Too expensive, too difficult (like the PS3) to program for. The fact is mobile games dont have triple A budgets so it makes the hardware useless. 3DS has the advantage here because most games are wrote from scratch for it so it has better compatibility and is easier to program for. Wii U has a wide arrange of supported languages and is very indie friendly. From recent reports, Wii U has been one of the easiest platforms to program for with plenty of potential.

PS4: 98
PSV: 16

Wii U: 28
3DS/2DS: 81

I'm being pretty generous from a programmers standpoint. I would love to create games for the Wii U, if I had the time between life and school


Your first statement makes absolutely NO SENSE. No being funny but what do you mean "Reality is setting in for Sony"? Did they say something would happen or did I miss something? What reality is setting in?Did they claim the PS4 would outsell the PS2? Because to be honest I personally don't see any home console ever outselling the PS2.

The rest of your post no issues lol. That first statement just seemed kind of odd imo.



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