AND THEY SAY AFRICA IS THE ONLY SHITHOLE PLACE ON EARTH. pssh, just look at whats happening now, and what hpnd with yugoslavia in the 90's
It would be like California with its Illegal immigration and the poputlation being mostly hispanic wanting to be apart of mexico! the only problem is 25% of all welfare recipients in the U.S. lives in California !
Mexico would have to deal with that probably be letting them illegally migrate to Nevada for work!
Still its funny how every one in the world knows everything about the U.S. ,and were just dumb as sticks on every subject cause are controlled media and the Internet has useless info for us to make a comment!
| Kasz216 said: What you said is exactly what I know of the situation. So... yeah... no. Once you resort to ethnic cleansing, no matter what the other side did to you... or other unrelated people... you can't complain when said ethnic group breaks away. |
I agree completely with that...
However lets say that if you as a visitor (or in Kosovar Albanian case - immigrant) and the host dont get along, it would be the immigrant to go first. Serbs just didn't have the finesse to make this happen in the early 90's in a diplomatic way. Had milosevic come to Kosovo in the late 80s and said..."dear Croats, Serbs, bosnians, Macedonians and Slovenians...we have a problem we need to solve in Kosovo" Yugoslavia still may exist.
On the topic of Kosovo as a nation, there is no way nations around Kosovo will accept this. Montenegro, Greece and Macedonia have similar problems with Albanians taking over. US can put as much peer pressure on them as they want...
disolitude said:
I agree completely with that... However lets say that if you as a visitor (or in Kosovar Albanian case - immigrant) and the host dont get along, it would be the immigrant to go first. Serbs just didn't have the finesse to make this happen in the early 90's in a diplomatic way. Had milosevic come to Kosovo in the late 80s and said..."dear Croats, Serbs, bosnians, Macedonians and Slovenians...we have a problem we need to solve in Kosovo" Yugoslavia still may exist. On the topic of Kosovo as a nation, there is no way nations around Kosovo will accept this. Montenegro, Greece and Macedonia have similar problems with Albanians taking over. US can put as much peer pressure on them as they want... |
| tk1797 said: I usually avoid talking about politics or religion but what happened in Kosovo In my opinion is terrible for the region. I know I might be in the minority but I believe the Independence of Kosovo is terrible idea. People in Kosovo say that they needed to seperate from Serbia because they were muslim albainians which in my mind raises red flags. First of all many albainians don't follow the religion, for example mosque attendence is low, also they consider themselves albanians. Shouldn't they consider themselves Kosovians? Otherwise whats the point of creating a whole new country; why not join Albainia. What really bothers me is the unilateral decleration of independence. I believe there should have been discussions with other countries in the region to discuss possible senerios such as the possibility of a serb resistence in Kosovo that might destablize the region. Usually i'm all for independence but some of the reasons concerning the deceleration and methods used bother me. The way they choose to leave creates alot of bad blood. Hopefully in the future a plan will be created to allow dialogue between the two countries like how Indonesia and East Timor did. Anyway what are your feelings about the Independence of Kosovo. |
I agree with you it is good to see someone with common sense. The decleration of independence in Kosovo sets a dangerous precedent for other regions around the world. It sends the message that international law and sovereignty are meaningless and that force trumps both. I find it annoying that many people say what's the big deal but those very same people I am sure if the roles were reversed and if say Texas in America or Catalonia in Spain wanted independence they would cry foul.
Serbia so far has been extremely restrained as they are legally fully within their rights to resist this illegal land grab. NATO broke international law and went against its own charter in bombing Serbia back in 99 as Serbia did not attack any member country or any other country. Resolution 1244 specifically states that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia which everyone signed.
When it comes down to it this has nothing to do with democracy and human rights and everything to do with Serbia's strategic location and its refusal to submit to the American empire. Because of their resistance America and the west has resorted to using illegal force and a divide and conquer strategy. Sadly it looks like we are set to go down the path of our predecessors as we continually refuse to learn from our history. Time will tell but this situation and others around the world will likely get worse as a result of this decleration of independence.
Kasz216 said:
I have no clue what you are trying to say here. |
Sorry, it is a bit unclear now that I read it over...
Rather than paraphrase what I said I'll make another short point.
Who has the most to gain from this situation? On paper it looks like its Albania as Kosovo will most likely become a republic of Albania if they are allowed to leave...but why would USA a UK and France and Germany care about Albania? Ofcourse they don't... but all of them care about EU...Serbs are a big thorn in the side of EU as they are one of the last links in Europe to Russia... disassembled Serbia means stronger EU and smaller Russian influence on the region.
All this "crimes agains humanity" is blown out of proportion by the west and used as an argument to achieve alternative goals. US and UK have commited much worse things in Iraq and are still doing it...Turks are doing the EXACT same thing to Kurds for as long as I can remember. No one says anything about that. Can you say double standard?
disolitude said:
Sorry, it is a bit unclear now that I read it over... Rather than paraphrase what I said I'll make another short point. Who has the most to gain from this situation? On paper it looks like its Albania as Kosovo will most likely become a republic of Albania if they are allowed to leave...but why would USA a UK and France and Germany care about Albania? Ofcourse they don't... but all of them care about EU...Serbs are a big thorn in the side of EU as they are one of the last links in Europe to Russia... disassembled Serbia means stronger EU and smaller Russian influence on the region. All this "crimes agains humanity" is blown out of proportion by the west and used as an argument to achieve alternative goals. US and UK have commited much worse things in Iraq and are still doing it...Turks are doing the EXACT same thing to Kurds for as long as I can remember. No one says anything about that. Can you say double standard? |
How many more countries still have ties to Russia? I think Belarus still does.
disolitude said:
Sorry, it is a bit unclear now that I read it over... Rather than paraphrase what I said I'll make another short point. Who has the most to gain from this situation? On paper it looks like its Albania as Kosovo will most likely become a republic of Albania if they are allowed to leave...but why would USA a UK and France and Germany care about Albania? Ofcourse they don't... but all of them care about EU...Serbs are a big thorn in the side of EU as they are one of the last links in Europe to Russia... disassembled Serbia means stronger EU and smaller Russian influence on the region. All this "crimes agains humanity" is blown out of proportion by the west and used as an argument to achieve alternative goals. US and UK have commited much worse things in Iraq and are still doing it...Turks are doing the EXACT same thing to Kurds for as long as I can remember. No one says anything about that. Can you say double standard? |
woulda been great if youd been to a protest when milosovich was starting wars left, right and centre. Its the countrys own fault at the end of the day.
"Serbians don't hate everybody, just Albanians. "
Pathetic statement that justifys kosovo having independence. You hate a racial group yet insist they stay a part of your country. Wow how sad....seriously re-evaluate your life.
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